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  Watchtower Society = Mama

  by Shepherd Book in

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  i seem to recall reading some time back that the society once wrote how some in the congregation refer to the society as "mama" or "mother".

  does anyone remember that?

  better yet, does anyone have a reference for that?.

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  DocBob

  Yeah Jimmy, that's some picture. I guess they could rename Bethel to "Big Mama's House"
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  Watchtower Society = Mama

  by Shepherd Book in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i seem to recall reading some time back that the society once wrote how some in the congregation refer to the society as "mama" or "mother".

  does anyone remember that?

  better yet, does anyone have a reference for that?.

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  DocBob

  The business of the organization as "mother" is an older concept, but I remember it well even during the years I was an elder (1985 - 1995). Here are a couple of older quotes on the organization as "mother".

  "If we are to walk in the light of truth we must recognize not only Jehovah God as our Father but his organization as our mother." The Watchtower, May 1, 1957, p. 274.

  "After being nourished to our present spiritual strength and maturity, do we suddenly become smarter than our former provider and forsake the enlightening guidance of the organization that mothers us? ‘Forsake not the law of thy mother' (Prov. 6:20-23)." The Watchtower, February 1, 1952, p. 80.

  The other reference that was popular was the organization as the ark. Here's a couple on that:

  "7 Did Jehovah ever use more than one organization during any period of time? In Noah's day only Noah and those with him inside the ark had God's protection and survived the floodwaters. (1 Peter 3:20) Also, in the first century there were not two or more Christian organizations. God dealt with just the one. There was just the "one Lord, one faith, one baptism." (Ephesians 4:5) Likewise in our day Jesus Christ foretold that there would be only one source of spiritual instruction for God's people."- You Can Live Forever on Paradise Earth, p. 193

  "17 Well, Noah built the ark with the help of his married sons, hence far less than a century before the deluge broke. So the ark building took place during the "time of the end" of that "ancient world." So we must look for something special during this "time of the end," a thing from which this present generation of mankind can benefit or take advantage of during the urgency of the times. By Scripture and fulfillment of Bible prophecy it has been well established that the "time of the end" of this present "world" began in the autumn of the year 1914, while World War I was raging. Noah's ark would therefore picture that provision for survival that God makes through Christ for his faithful worshipers as the fiery end of this system of things draws near. That divine provision is the spiritual paradise into which God has brought his faithful worshipers since the year 1919 C.E., in which they live as his people restored to his favor and under his protection." - The Watchtower, 11/1/1974, p. 667

  The reason I tie the two of those together is their similarity to a statement made by Cyprian, bishop of Carthage:

  He can no longer have God for his Father, who has not the Church for his mother. If anyone could escape who was outside the ark of Noah, then he also may escape who was outside the church." -- The Treastises of Cyprian, Treatise I, paragraph 6

  Replace the word "Church" in Cyprian's statement with the word "organization" and you'd have pretty much what the WT says about the org. The JW organization has a lot more in common with the Catholic Church than they would like to admit.
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  Urgent Help Please

  by Gladring in

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  2. friends

  a friend is being hassled by a body of elders to go to a judicial committee.

  i have advised against going but if they go ahead.... the question is are you entitled to have a representative of your own at a judicial committee?.

  a second, not quite so urgent, question is: does anyone know where to get a copy of coc in spanish.. thanks.

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  DocBob

  I sent a long legal letter after I was invited to meet with a committee to face charges of apostacy. That was 1999, I haven't heard from them since. The letter is on my site at http://www.docbob.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=6
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  Apostate Dictionary

  by cameo-d in

  1. watchtower
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  i have noticed that so many of you have coined new words.

  i find them hilarious.

  i would love to have a list of them along with the original author if possible.

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  DocBob

  circus overlooker = circuit overseer ... Our Kingdom Misery = that monthly newsletter used in the Serve-us Meeting
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  I can't believe what I did.

  by reneeisorym in

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  so yesterday i was watching the news and i saw something about secret santa.

  there is this movement of people who hand random strangers $100 bills at places like laundry mats and thrift stores.

  so i was "moved" and decided to give it a shot.

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  DocBob

  Doesn't sound like a malfunctioning mind, but a rather well-functioning heart.
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  how to understand 1 Cor 6:9

  by Newborn in

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  i'm not sure if i believe in the bible as god's word anymore.

  while some things are very clear in there much isn't.

  curious how you understand pauls words in 1cor that adulterers and men who lies with men shall not inherit gods kingdom?

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  DocBob

  Deleted -- double post
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  how to understand 1 Cor 6:9

  by Newborn in

  1. watchtower
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  i'm not sure if i believe in the bible as god's word anymore.

  while some things are very clear in there much isn't.

  curious how you understand pauls words in 1cor that adulterers and men who lies with men shall not inherit gods kingdom?

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  Grace, I'm sitting here with chills. Shea was also touched. Having met Melanie, it was all the more powerful. Thank you for sharing it.
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  Questions about A.H. Macmillan

  by Junction-Guy in

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  wow, i was just reading the online section of my old hometown newspaper.

  they have a section about famous and contoversial people who are either from that town or who visited it.

  there were several people mentioned in that column that were ministers and that the town hosted the national conference of free will baptists back in 1941.. .

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  DocBob

  The 8/26/1966 NY Times published the following death notice for Macmillan: "Alexander Hugh Macmillan, an administrative associate of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (Jehovah's Witnesses) died Friday in his home, 124 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn. His age was 89. Mr. Macmillan was the author of "Faith on the March," the story of Jehovah's Witnesses, published by Prentice Hall in 1957. He was born in Mabou, N. S. and became a minister of the society in 1901. He was an administrative associate of three presidents of the society, Nathan H. Knorr, the incumbent, and Charles Taze Russell and Jurge [sic] Joseph F. Rutherford."
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  Has any malware ever got into the computers at bethels?

  by badboy in

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  any takers?

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  DocBob

  It's ALL malware ;-)
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  Greater Boston Meetup? Anyone up for one?

  by coffee_black in

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  thought i'd throw this out there... anyone interested?

  i'm thinking maybe mid november?.

  coffee .

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  DocBob

  Panera, Woburn Mall, Noon, November 30 - I'll be there