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Steve said: As to you posting a lightening strike with the obvious implication that we are going to die at armageddon,
Just a joke steve just a joke. I could never judge you as dying in Armageddon. I have no idea what you or I will do between now and then.
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But if you can quote me where I said that Alex was the one that would devastate Tyre to the point of never being rebuilt I will certainly admit that I mistyped. I have never believed that.
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Steve said: No, you said Axexander did this, which both history and the watch tower society disagree with you.
No you misunderstood me. I realize that Tyre was rebuilt after Alex. It was there in the first century. It was not until after many nations came against Tyre that it would never be rebullt. That is exactly what Ezekiel said. That is why he said 'many nations' and 'they'. On the other hand he decribed the attack by Neb as coming from 'he' Neb.
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What? You mean that Alexander razed the city and threw all its rubble into the sea, leaving the island a bare rock? Please be my guest and substantiate your claim that "this is exactly what Greece under Alexander the Great did". I would like to see you cite some sources on this one.
Alexander built a causeway to reach the island. That's an entirely different thing.
Now your just being plane silly. How do you think Alex built his causeway? And what did he do when he got to the Island city? You sure are getting ridiculous in your pursuit of phantom 587.
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I am very sorry but I did not utter the prophecy about the 40 year desolation of Egypt. The proof is in the fact that Jehovah said it would happen. I don't know about you but thats good enough for me. I'm pretty sure that if he could depopulate Judah for 70 years he could do the same thing to Egypt for 40 years. I'm pretty sure that if one angel can kill 185,000 men in one night then these other accomplishments wouldn't be too difficult for Jehovah to do.
Why don't you just come right out and say you don't believe what the Bible said about the 40 year desolation of Egypt and so you don't believe 607 and we can all go home.
Oh, wait, I believe most of you proponents of 587 already did say that didn't you?
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Again you have blundered with your interpretation of 'he' and 'they'. You are inconsistent.
10 Owing to the heaving mass of his horses their dust will cover you. Owing to the sound of cavalryman and wheel and war chariot your walls will rock, when he comes in through your gates, as in the cases of entering into a city opened by breaches. 11 With the hoofs of his horses he (this should be they according to you) will trample down all your streets. Your people he (this should be they also) will kill even with the sword, and to the earth your own pillars of strength will go down. 12 And they (why the change to they at this point. Ezekiel is a little late in changing the pronoun isn't he. I guess he forgot in those first two instances above) will certainly spoil your resources and plunder your sales goods, and tear down your walls, and your desirable houses they will pull down. And your stones and your woodwork and your dust they will place in the very midst of the water.’
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Look what a coincidence.
Ezek 26: 12 And they (could this be one of the many nations) will certainly spoil your resources and plunder your sales goods, and tear down your walls, and your desirable houses they will pull down. And your stones and your woodwork and your dust they will place in the very midst of the water.’
Wow, This is exactly what Greece (one of the many nations that came against Tyre) under Alexander the Great did.
Oh, but Alan and Steve and Leo say that it was Neb that was supposed to do this. Jehovah's prophecy failed. If only Jehovah could have been more specific. How sad that Jehovah was unable to fortell the finality from the beginning. I am throwing my bible in the trash. You are right, interpretations of secular historians are wiser than Jehovah.
Hail 587 proponents for showing us the failure of this foolish prophecy of the Lord.
And also the foolish prophecy of the 40 year desolation of Egypt.
Thanks.
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And still no biblical proof is forthcoming against the 40 year desolation of egypt.
Your attempts to confuse the issue is brilliant. But Tyre has nothing to do with Egypt.
You have done a good job at showing that you don't believe what the bible says about Tyre, therefore you don't believe what the Bible says about Egypt. And you don't believe the harmony between Ezekiel, Isaiah, and Zechariah.
I accept your claim that you don't believe it.
As for me I do believe what the Bible says about both Tyre and Egypt through the prophets Ezekiel, Isaiah, and Zechariah. And I believe they all harmonize with one another.
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Funny thing isn't it. I show you how you are absolutely and totally wrong about what Ezekiel said about Tyre and what are your replies. All you can do is ignore my argument and declare me an apostate trying to outdo Robert King, and ignoring all your arguments when I have clearly and solidly debunk your outlandish and unreasonable and unbiblical arguments.
You say: Your ignoring all arguments set before you well illustrates the general moral stupidity induced in JWs by years of Watchtower indoctrination.
Except that you're quite an anomaly in that you promote apostate views about the meaning of the 70 years for Tyre, even while railing against your fellow apostates. Are you trying to outdo Robert King?
Then Alan and Steve say:
... the rebuilt Tyre sits there, obstinately declaring "Here I am!"
It doesn't matter which why you phrase it, this did not happen.
So you are now reduced to one point and that point involves declaring the Bible to be wrong. You prove our point. 587 proponents must disregard the Bible to prove 587. You say that Tyre was rebuilt and that the prophecy was wrong.
The mainland ruins of old Tyre and the underwater ruins of Island Tyre is good enough for me. If you want to quivel and split hairs with Jehovah as to what he meant when he said Tyre would never be rebuilt, then have at it. My advice to others is don't stand to close to you.
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Now that we have seen what Isaiah and Zechariah says about Tyre and its destruction let us again examine Ezekiel's prophecy in chapter 26 about Tyre. I think lovers of God's word will be presently surprised with the harmony found in the bible.
3 therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘Here I am against you, O Tyre, and I will bring up against you many nations, just as the sea brings up its waves. 4 And they will certainly bring the walls of Tyre to ruin and tear down her towers, and I will scrape her dust away from her and make her a shining, bare surface of a crag. 5 A drying yard for dragnets is what she will become in the midst of the sea.’
“‘For I myself have spoken,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘and she must become an object of plunder for the nations. 6 And her dependent towns that are in the field—by the sword they will be killed, and people will have to know that I am Jehovah.’
Lets stop for a moment. Notice that it is not just Babylon that Jehovah is bringing against Tyre. No indeed it is 'many nations'. Ezekiel's words, not mine. Then next Ezekiel prophecies about the first nation that will plunder Tyre.
7 “For this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘Here I am bringing against Tyre Neb·u·chad·rez´zar the king of Babylon from the north, a king of kings, with horses and war chariots and cavalrymen and a congregation, even a multitudinous people. 8 Your dependent towns in the field he will kill even with the sword, and he must make against you a siege wall and throw up against you a siege rampart and raise up against you a large shield; 9 and the strike of his attack engine he will direct against your walls, and your towers he will pull down, with his swords. 10 Owing to the heaving mass of his horses their dust will cover you. Owing to the sound of cavalryman and wheel and war chariot your walls will rock, when he comes in through your gates, as in the cases of entering into a city opened by breaches. 11 With the hoofs of his horses he will trample down all your streets. Your people he will kill even with the sword, and to the earth your own pillars of strength will go down.
End of the specific prophecy about Neb and what he would do to Tyre. How do we know this is the end of this specific part of the prophecy about Tyre? Because notice the pronoun now changes from he (as in Neb) to they (as in many nations).
12 And they will certainly spoil your resources and plunder your sales goods, and tear down your walls, and your desirable houses they will pull down. And your stones and your woodwork and your dust they will place in the very midst of the water.’
13 “‘And I will cause the turmoil of your singing to cease, and the very sound of your harps will be heard no more. 14 And I will make you a shining, bare surface of a crag. A drying yard for dragnets is what you will become. Never will you be rebuilt; for I myself, Jehovah, have spoken,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.
Then the rest of the verses continue to show what will happen to Tyre. So you see your whole theory that Ezekiel was wrong when he said Neb would destroy Tyre to the point of never being rebuilt is unscriptural not only according to Isaiah and Zechariah but even in the very prophecy of Ezekiel that you try to support it with. Ezekiel never said Neb would devastate Tyre to the point of never being rebuilt. It was 'many nations' that would carry out this prophecy.
I think that pretty much is a slam dunk.
