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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

Steve quoted a 51 WT which said:

As Noah built he also preached repentance, urging his fellow creatures to seek God’s favor while there was yet opportunity. Strange thing, only seven others of that entire multitude believed him!

And tried to say that this WT was saying that Noah preached to the entire world. Of course it doesn't really say that at all. Only that out of the entire multitude that he preached to only seven listened.

Then AlanF makes comments about the WT double-speak based on his own inaccurate beliefs about JWs teachings. It would be good to learn our teachings before shooting off at the mouth trying to discredit it based on your false understandings.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

Yes, alanf would do well to ignore my post # 353. Since it pointed out how ridiculous he was.

First he claims that JWs teach that Noah preached to the 'entire world' and provides quotes from WT's to prove it that do not support his claim at all.

Then he says that 'no one would know the day or the hour: because just as in the days before the flood, people were living life normally as if nothing were about to happen.'

This has nothing to do with why no one would know the day or hour. Not even those taking note would know the day or hour, not even Jesus knew.

Then AlanF quotes scholars that might agree with him and dismisses all scholars who might disagree with him as being dispensationalists and various Bible students. So what? How many scholars can you quote that believe God is a Trinity. Bible proof overrides 'scholars'. But AlanF don't believe that. I doubt he even believes that the account of Noah and the flood is true, do you AlanF?

The Alanf mistakenly equates the day the Son of man is revealed to the entire days/parousia of the Son of man. But clearly this is a misreading of scripture for the scripture says: Luke 17:29,30: But on the day that Lot came out of Sod´om it rained fire and sulphur from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 The same way it will be on that day when the Son of man is to be revealed.

What do we see from this. The very day that Sodom was destroyed is not compared to the entire days or parousia of the Son of man. But only to the day when the Son of man is to be revealed. When does this revealing take place for all to see without a doubt? It takes place at the conclusion of the parousia of Christ. Revelation 1:7 tells us at what point he will be revealed so that every eye will see him: He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him.

AlanF has done a smart thing in trying to let this drop since he has shown that he cannot understand or properly explain scriptures or WT publications and is hoping no one will notice and it will just go away.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

In actuality though the figures are probably closer to this:

Earthquake deaths:

pre1914--1000 per year.

post1914--17,000 per year.

War deaths:

pre1914--50,000 per year.

post1914--1,000,000 per year.

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

AlanF, I have used your figures on earthquakes and the highest ones at that for before 1914. I have even doubled your figures on wars before 1914. Here is the result.

Earthquake deaths:

pre1914--3400 per year.

post1914--17,000 per year.

War deaths:

pre1914--100,000 per year.

post1914--1,000,000 per year.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

So what is the answer to your $64,000 question? (I know you don't take me serious, but I am being serious.) Go ahead, answer it.

What group or religion are truly Christ-like, practicing Christianity, and thus following Christ's example? A close examination will easily reveal the proof and leave no doubt.

First of all, ask yourself, who did Christ worship? Did he worship a triune God? Did he worship a nameless god? Did he worship a God who he believed he was equal to? Did he worship a God who punishes people in hellfire forever and ever? Anyone who has ever been one of Jehovah's Witnesses or have studied with them know the truth about this matter. Jesus worship the only true God whose name is Jehovah. He did not worship a triune God. He did not make himself equal to God. And he made God's name known to others. Who is following Christ's example in doing this today. Since most all religions teach that God is a trinity we can easily illiminate 90 percent of the religions of the world today.

Of the remaining few who do not teach the trinity how many make known God's name Jehovah? Recently on another DB someone gave us a list of obscure religions that use God's name. On the list was some deluded religions such as the Living Waters Organization headed by Donald Burney and the Rastafarians. Are they making God's name manifest in the manner that Christ did? Are they preaching the good news of Jehovah's Kingdom and what it will accomplish? Of course not. This brings us to another requirement of Christians.

True Christians preach the good news of God's Kingdom and tell others about what it will accomplish in sanctifying God's sovereignty and restoring paradise to the earth. Of those few obscure religions that actually use God's name how many of them preach the kingdom as true Christians would do? Who only is preaching this kingdom worldwide? What group is known worldwide for their zealous preaching of God's Kingdom? When is the last time you were visited by someone on that obscure list such as a member of the church of Yahweh, David Burney, or a Rastafarian?

Jesus said that true followers of his, true Christians, would have love among themselves. How many religions display this Christlike love along with the other above mentioned requirements of Christians? Most religions will go kill fellow 'brothers' of the same religion in times of war. It is only JWs who have this Christlike love and refuse to kill one another because they are of another race or nationality along with the other above mentioned beliefs. This worldwide brotherhood of true Christians also help one another. If you were to go to a foreign country that hated members of your race or nationality who could you seek out that would take you in and protect you as a brother?

Christianity is the true religion. And you will only find one group practicing Christianity today. Just these few points alone prove what religion today is practicing true Christianity.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

Do you think the preaching work is an effective way of getting new members? Yes I think so. If you follow Jesus example how can you go wrong. Surely you would be blessed for the efforts. I know that men might have different ideas about what would work better but I believe sticking to the way Jesus and the apostles did it is the best way. Of course now we are going to see a bunch of posts saying that the early disciples did not go door to door. I will probably not engage in that discussion because I consider it just an excuse to shirk the responsibility of going from door to door and an attempt to discredit JWs as if there is something sinister evil with that method.

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

Tophat says: TW, Are you equating "NOAH and the ARK" to the WTS and GB? Today our ARK is the Scriptures....and ONLY the scriptures. NOT a fallible, greedy man-made organization.

I will let you answer that for yourself.

If you had lived in the days of Noah what would you have needed to do to survive?

At some point you would have had to join up with Noah. Noah and his family were Jehovah's servants on the earth at that time. Unless you joined in with God's people and entered the ark you would not have been saved.

What is the difference today? Unless you take the side of God's people you will not survive. Who are God's people? Thats the 64,000 dollar question but the answer is easily found.

But keep in mind that many who knew Noah could have made excuses why they did not believe him. Can't you just imagine.

Noah drinks to much.

Noah condones child molestation.

Noah cut down some of my trees and didn't ask me.

Noah borrowed my saw and returned it broken.

I saw Noah dealing with Nephilim.

Noah thinks he's the only one that is going to be saved.

Noah is a lying moron. God didn't tell him anything. God must be very displeased in Noah for taking it upon himself as if he knows the mind of the Most High.

God is not going to kill thousands of people just because they refuse to listen to some crackpot building a boat.

I would help Noah but he is building that boat all wrong. It will never float.

I hate the way Noah treats his children. They are not allowed to go to the parties with the other children. I can't believe Noah forces his children to work on that stupid boat all the time. Its ashame they are not allowed to live normal lives. God does not expect that of us.

I have proof that Noah is wrong. There is not enough water in the heavens to flood the entire earth. Here are my calculations. Do you know how many different animals that scientists have determined that there are? There is no possible way that Noah can fit two of evey animal into that box.

All the scholars agree that the days before the coming flood have not began yet. Noah is premature in his expectations.

Where is this promised rain. Why all things are continuing...

You are going to let some old fart tell you how to serve God.

I listen to no man, only God.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

I'd be interested to know what you thoughts are to the annihilation of a few billion people at armageddon who never had a Jehovah's witness study, or even talk to them?

The preaching work is not over yet. How many more will be contacted who can say? What events will take place during the GT that will make everyone take notice of JWs so that virtually everyone knows of JWs, who can say? Just like in the days of Noah Jehovah did not unjustly destroy anyone I have the same confidence at Armageddon. I know that Jehovah can take note of any righteous ones, just as he did Noah, and direct them to those that will tell them about Jehovah. I do not have to be concerned with it.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

Here is the problem that AlanF is having with parousia in Matthew 24. He starts from a faulty position. 1. His whole reason for wanting parousia to be translated as coming starts with his obsession to disprove JWs. Knowing that JWs translate parousia as presence he takes the opposite position in order to try and discredit JWs. 2. Therefore, he begins with the premise that parousia in Matt 24 means coming and that it cannot mean presence because that is what JWs say it is. 3. Now rather than letting the context determine the meaning, he is forced to try and make the context of Matt 24 and Luke 17 fit into his preconceived notion that parousia must be translated as coming. And try as he may, it simply and absolutely will not fit. Its like trying to put a square peg in a round hole. Because: The days of Noah = the days/parousia of the Son of man. The days of Noah of course lasted many years before the flood came. So likewise the days/parousia of the Son of man lasts many years before Armageddon comes. Obviously the word coming in Matt 24 does not convey the true meaning of parousia in Matt 24. Here is the real parallel of course: Days of Noah.....men eating drinking taking no note.........sex violence and corruption etc...........no taking note................finally after many years, the final day of the days of Noah arrives, the rain begans, the flooding begins and sweeps them all away. Days of Lot.........men eating drinking taking no note.........sex violence and corruption etc........still no taking note......................finally after considerable period of time passes the final day of the days of Lot arrives, fire comes down and destroys Sodom and Gomorrah. Days/Parousia of the Son of man..........men eating drinking taking no note........sex violence corruption etc...... still no taking note......................finally after many years Armageddon or the final day of the days/parousia of the Son of man arrives and sudden destruction comes upon the world. It is simple. Scholars are not needed at all since the Bible here explains itself.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

PLM: This indicates to me that LOTS of people from, assuming, around the world would be fooled, intelligent people, not just a few idiots grasping onto anything.

You don't have to look far to find intelligent ones that have been misled about the parousia of Christ. Just look around on this DB.

Many have been misled by the great signs of Robert King, Carl Jonnson, Alan Fuerbach, Ray Franz, etc etc. And I'm sure it will get worse up until Armageddon.