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Auldsoul says: The Bible NEVER prophesied that this period must fit within Nebuchadnezzar's reign, so your question sets up a pre-falsified criterion.
You aren't very good at this logic thing, are you?
Jehovah says:
Ezekiel 30: 10 ‘I will also cause the crowd of Egypt to cease by the hand of Neb·u·chad·rez´zar the king of Babylon.
Now who is not very good with logic?
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What evidence do I have of the 40 year desolation of Egypt? I have the ultimate evidence, the highest possible evidence that can be attained. I have the word of Jehovah. I have presented it already but here it is in short:
Ezekiel 29: 10 I will make the land of Egypt devastated places, 11 There will not pass through it the foot of earthling man, ...for forty years it will not be inhabited. 12 ... its own cities will become a desolate waste ...for forty years; and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations ;
Ezekiel 30: 10 ‘I will also cause the crowd of Egypt to cease by the hand of Neb·u·chad·rez´zar the king of Babylon. 23 And I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations 25 And I will strengthen the arms of the king of Babylon, and the very arms of Phar´aoh will fall; 26 And I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations and disperse them among the lands; ...’”
Ezekiel 32: 11 ‘The very sword of the king of Babylon will come upon you. ... 15 “‘When I make the land of Egypt a desolate waste ...when I strike down all the inhabitants in it,
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The Bible clearly said Tyre would at some point be destroyed and never be rebuilt. It is an interesting question as to how this would be fulfilled?
Here are different interpretations:
1. The ancient Phoenecian city of Tyre was never rebuilt. It was rebuilt but not under that empire.
2. It was never rebuilt to its former glory.
3. It was never rebuilt because the mainland city was cast into the sea when Alexander built the causeway and therefore couldn't be rebuilt.
4. The site of the ancient ruins and underwater ruins is testimony that it was not rebuilt.
But I keep wondering why is this being discussed on a thread about 607. It seems there could only be one reason since it is 587 proponents who want to discuss it. What would that be?
To prove that the Bible cannot be totally relied upon. We must put the secular evidence above the Bible. Please correct me if I am wrong. But if that is not the reason then why isn't this being discussed on another thread entitled 'What does it mean that Tyre would never be rebuilt'? Why is it being brought up by proponents of 587 to disprove 607?
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Was Egypt desolated for 40 years without inhabitant during Neb's rule like the Bible prophecied it would be?
Yes or No.
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Auldsoul ask: Do you have ANY evidence that Nebuchadnezzar completely depopulated Egypt for 40 years and dispersed the Egyptians to foreign nations, yes or no?
Yes.
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Lets make this simple with some yes or no questions.
Was Egypt desolated for 40 years without inhabitant during Neb's rule like the Bible prophecied it would be?
Yes or No.
Who will dare answer?
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Lets make this simple with some yes or no questions.
Was Egypt desolated for 40 years without inhabitant during Neb's rule like the Bible prophecied it would be?
Yes or No.
Who will dare answer?
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And Tor your points are for another thread. This one is about 607. Not dates the WT may have been wrong on. That is a whole different subject. You merely try to sidetrack the real issue because you cannot show how the 40 year desolation of Egypt does not disprove 587. The 40 year desolation definitely does disprove 587 without a doubt as do many other scriptures.
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I will try to address many of the things you have written. First off, those trying to prove Tyre existed in the first century. I know that. We all know that. No one has ever doubted that or said otherwise. I have never said that Alex destroyed Tyre and that it was never rebuilt after that. The prophecy said that many nations would come against Tyre and finally it would not be rebuilt. And as the ruins demonstrate still sitting there over in Tyre. It has not been rebuilt at that site. Yes a city has been built around the site and named Sur but that does not negate Jehovah's prophecy.
As for Alexander. First he came to the mainland city before he got to the Island city. I am really surprised that Leo does not know this. To get to the Island he had to throw debris from the ruined city and yes trees as you point out. That is when Ezek 26:12 was fulfilled.
As for the 'he' 'they' pronouns you are still inconsistent. Now lets go thru this one more time for those that are hard of hearing:
Ezek 26: 3 therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘Here I am against you, O Tyre, and I will bring up against you many nations, just as the sea brings up its waves. 4 And they will certainly bring the walls of Tyre to ruin and tear down her towers, and I will scrape her dust away from her and make her a shining, bare surface of a crag. 5 A drying yard for dragnets is what she will become in the midst of the sea.’
“‘For I myself have spoken,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘and she must become an object of plunder for the nations. 6 And her dependent towns that are in the field—by the sword they will be killed, and people will have to know that I am Jehovah.’
Lets stop for a moment. Notice that it is not just Babylon that Jehovah is bringing against Tyre. No indeed it is 'many nations'. Ezekiel's words, not mine. Then next Ezekiel prophecies about the first nation that will plunder Tyre.
7 “For this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘Here I am bringing against Tyre Neb·u·chad·rez´zar the king of Babylon from the north, a king of kings, with horses and war chariots and cavalrymen and a congregation, even a multitudinous people. 8 Your dependent towns in the field he will kill even with the sword, and he must make against you a siege wall and throw up against you a siege rampart and raise up against you a large shield; 9 and the strike of his attack engine he will direct against your walls, and your towers he will pull down, with his swords. 10 Owing to the heaving mass of his horses their dust will cover you. Owing to the sound of cavalryman and wheel and war chariot your walls will rock, when he comes in through your gates, as in the cases of entering into a city opened by breaches. 11 With the hoofs of his horses he will trample down all your streets. Your people he will kill even with the sword, and to the earth your own pillars of strength will go down.
End of the specific prophecy about Neb and what he would do to Tyre. How do we know this is the end of this specific part of the prophecy about Tyre? Because notice the pronoun now changes from he (as in Neb) to they (as in many nations).
New Part for Leo: Now let me at this juncture add something for Leo. Notice verse 7 says: with horses and war chariots and cavalrymen and a congregation, even a multitudinous people. You would surely agree that this is 'they'. That is what you pointed out. And yet Ezekiel continues for several more verses saying 'he'. Who is the 'he'. Why, it is Neb of course. Why didn't Ezekiel say 'they'. He has already mentioned the horses and chariots and cavalrymen and multitudinous people. But Ezekiel continues to say 'he'. That is until verse 12 when he begans to talk about what the 'many nations' will continue to do. Amazingly this harmonizes with Isaiah and Zechariah
12 And they will certainly spoil your resources and plunder your sales goods, and tear down your walls, and your desirable houses they will pull down. And your stones and your woodwork and your dust they will place in the very midst of the water.’
13 “‘And I will cause the turmoil of your singing to cease, and the very sound of your harps will be heard no more. 14 And I will make you a shining, bare surface of a crag. A drying yard for dragnets is what you will become. Never will you be rebuilt; for I myself, Jehovah, have spoken,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.
Then the rest of the verses continue to show what will happen to Tyre. So you see your whole theory that Ezekiel was wrong when he said Neb would destroy Tyre to the point of never being rebuilt is unscriptural not only according to Isaiah and Zechariah but even in the very prophecy of Ezekiel that you try to support it with. Ezekiel never said Neb would devastate Tyre to the point of never being rebuilt. Nor did he say that Alex would devestate it to the point of never being rebuilt. It was the 'many nations' over time that would carry this out finally fulfilling this entire prophecy.
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Alan: I probably ought to rest my case here, many posters having shown the gross, self-inflicted braindeadness that seems to be part and parcel of being a JW defender.
Me: I like that Alan. Thats good.
I probably ought to rest my case here, having shown the gross, self-inflicted braindeadness that seems to be part and parcel of being a 587 defender.
