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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

Ozzie, do you think that posting statistics for the last one day proves anything. You restricted and limited my posting. I could not even post at all for a period of time. Then you questioned why I was answering anyone. Do you really deny this? You posted on a thread that you were restricting me and recently I received an email from you which tells me that all my posting priviledges are all restored.

So tell everyone the truth. Did you restrict and limit my posting priviledges and was there a period of time when I couldn't post anything at all?

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

Page 4 questions:

AlanF ask: Does anyone fail to see what an ass this guy is?

I don't think that was directed at me to answer. I think outlaw answered that for us.

Some more off topic stuff and comments without questions.

Some insults. A comment about how AlanF would be like a whale swallowing up fisherman if he tried to catch or challenge him.

Except auldsoul did ask about the 70 weeks of years of Daniel 9 which I am about to answer.

And Cabasilas ask a few questions which were actually answered in my very first post and would mean I would have to copy and paste just about the whole thing since his questions are so broad and general. He asks: Where in Daniel chapter 4 does it specifically say that the 7 times applies to God's rulership?Where does the Bible specifically say that the tree dream in Daniel chapter 4 has any other application?Do the passages in Ezekiel 17, 19, 21 and Revelation 12 and Isaiah 6 specifically comment on the passage from Daniel chapter 4 or specifically connect it to what these other chapters are saying?

I guess I could instead answer and say that if you are unwilling to look into the other scriptures that I cite that clearly helps understand and connects Daniel 4 with God's rulership then what can I tell you other than copying and pasting the whole essay again for you.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

Page 3:

Drew wanted take me to the movies. I havent seen Superman yet.

KW agreed with drew.

Then on the third post is when I answered all the questions posed thus far at that point.

I then answered Jim's comment about gathering info.

JamesWood with more Russell off topic stuff.

Kid-A said nobody cared.

I answered Auldsouls question. and STeve's question.

The rest were off topic or comments about the WT's crap that they publish.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

Page 2:

Danny brought up Miller and Russell and 1844 ergo etc. Nothing to do with the things I wrote. Then he wanted us to watch TV. I figured at this point he was not a pentecostal.

Saki welcomed me back. No question there.

Auldsoul ask if I thought the 1260 days of REV were 1260 years. I said no. He also talked about baptismal questions, GB, paradise earth, field service, etc. These were off topic. He made some comments that iddan means seasons or measures of time. I dont disagree so didn't comment. He said 'times time and half a time' might not be 3.5 times but then he turned around and said "I don't disagree that the interpretation given is reasonable" so since he agreed it was reasonable why should I comment on that.

Ackack ask an off topic question about SAtan being cast out in Oct and WW I beginning in July. Off topic. Finally free joked about it.

Forscher said this was our interpretation but failed to mention anything specifically so what could I answer?

Steve mentioned that Daniel said that what had been said about Neb was fulfilled. And Neb was the tree. Cabasilas and alwayshere made similar point. I replied on that as follows: That Daniel 4 said that Neb was the head and that was it. Well if you don't want to search the scriptures of course you want find any answers or any truth. Daniel outrightly tells us that it is about God's kingdom and whoever he wants he will make rule. That is the theme of Daniel 4 as I showed in the first post I made. And the connections are clear to Ezek 17, 19, and 21.

Iw made a joke.

Hoping4change made the same old tired comments about how the Bible does not give actual dates so we have to use secular history to start somewhere. Do I really need to comment on that.....again.

Hellrider said one day was as a thousand years. I figured everyone saw the illogic of 7 times being 2,520,000 so i didn't comment on that.

Danielp said how complicated. I made a reply about how truth seekers would have to dig into the Bible to find answers and truth.

TD commented on 'will be trampled' . I anwered that mulitple times. ABout winter time, about elvis.

Aniron said God wouldn't use a pagan ruler to represent his rulership. I said he didn't. He used a tree.

Swalker commented off topic.

AlanF gave his usual 'you are a moron' speech. and other off topic comments.

All on topic questions answered on page 2.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

I do not understand why anyone is saying I don't answer questions. Lets go back and read the whole thread and we will see that I did answer questions.

done4good asks about the day for a year rule. I replied that he should read the subheading Why apply a day for a year. So he was answered.

KW gave a king's list. I replied that he should read this link http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/607/default.html because this topic is about the 7 times and why it applies to God's rulership. It is not about proving specifically 607.

Fullofdoubt said he don't believe the Bible or in God. I did not see a question in that and if he doesn't believe the bible then of course what I wrote would mean nothing to him.

Minimus ask no question but merely said you can use the Bible to prove anything.

done4good again ask about the day for a year. Do you want me to copy and paste what I said again. I thought that was unnecessary and repetitive so I didn't.

KW and James wood brought up Russell and Tyre. Nothing to do with this topic. I had previously answered by saying I would not comment on other subjects or questions. Sorry, I just do not have the time for every off topic question.

Vitty Yawned. I didn't see a question there but perhaps I should have complimented her on her nice yawn.

Steve brought up 2300 days to which I commented that his interpretation had nothing to do with the 7 times. I did not want to get off on a tangent about the 2300 days and what they might mean.

Acadian talked about the WT being a corporation. This is off topic.

Outlaw chastised me about taking a cheap shot at the administration. No question by outlaw there.

Midget ask about why the 1260 days in Revelation are not interpreted by the WT as a day for a year. Auldsoul later ask that to which I did comment that Rev is in the Lord's day and I don't believe the Lord's day is 1260 years long so logic would dictate that a day for a year didn't apply.

kid-a showed us a picture of a toilet. He reminded me that I needed to take a dump and so I did.

Outlaw said a spewed crap which I did when I took the above mentioned dump.

End of page one. All questions answered there.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

Its a good thing this guideline is not enforced:

please avoid:
1. Insulting, threatening or provoking language

3. Swearing, using hate-speech or making obscene or vulgar comments

This place would be almost empty.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

Here's a point about Jesus' words, 'Jerusalem will be trampled'.

A lot seem to think that this means Jerusalem was not being trampled at the time and that it was all future. But it was being trampled on by the Romans. The words 'will be' in this case did not mean that it hadn't started.

For example, if we were in the middle of the winter and all the trees had lost their leaves and the grass and flowers are all dead and someone ask: When will this end and Spring begin? You could correctly answer them: Its going to get colder and the vegetation will be trampled on until the appointed time of winter is fulfilled. That would not mean that winter hadn't begun yet. It would mean that winter had begun and that it would continue until the appointed time.

So the argument made using 'will be' in this case means nothing.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

Ozzie: However, this forum is not a vehicle for publishing your own website or your own publication. If you have a point for discussion, then make it. As you were told by PM, simply C&P voluminous pages from another site is 'not on'.

Really, funny but I didn't see a warning and restrictions placed on dannyhaszard when he copied and pasted on this thread:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/118775/reply.ashx

I'm sure I can provide more examples if you need them to show the double standard being shown by the administration if you like.

Can what diogenes said really be true when he said:

JWD Debating 101

1. Make sure to pepper your comments with insults like idiots, retards, morons, liars. It is also good to alter their screen name with clever little digs like TurdWitness or ThirdWitless.

2. It is not necessary to bring forth actual proof against a particular line of reasoning. Just call it "an ad hominem attack". This way you can say the argument has been refuted and then claim victory.

3. If this JW begins to get the upper hand quickly change the subject. Try challenging him to a new topic of discussion. Things like the genesis creation account, baptismal questions, an 1879 Watchtower article, CTR pyramids, etc. If he doesn't take the bait, proclaim victory.

4. For administrators, it is always effective to turn off or limit their posting privileges and then start bombarding him with questions followed by mocking when he is unable to answer each and every question.

5. If the JW posts parts of an essay or website that had been a collaborative effort, then claim that this JW defender is not acting alone and is sharing his account with multiple JW's. You can even say the JW defender admitted it and keep proclaiming it over and over. Eventually everyone will believe it.

6. Allow apostates to copy and paste entire articles.
But don't allow any JW defender to post even excerpts of their own work.

7. Don't forget to use the word liar as much as possible.

8. If all else fails, start a conspiracy theory. Doesn’t matter how farfetched. Everyone will believe it.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

When someone actually addresses with substance what I have written I will respond. Addressing everything from Russell to Millerites to the king's list to going to the movies.........shows you have no arguments left.

I have factually shown from the Bible that Daniel 4 is about God's rulership and that such rulership would be trampled on for 7 times. I have used Ezek 17, 19, 21, Rev 12, Isa 6, all of the book of Daniel, and many other scriptures connecting trees, stumps, twigs etc to Jesus' kingship.

And no I couldn't have written it without the aid of the WT publications as they are the only religious publications in the world today that explain Bible truths. No wonder that they are the most widely circulated Bible publications in the world. That fits right in line with the fact that the Bible is the most widely distributed book in all the world.

Somehow I think the Lord may be involved. But thats another subject altogether.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

thirdwitness

Do you, thirdwitness, know how the date for the end of the 'gentile times' was calculated by your founding father, Mr Russell.

Yes, he used the works of others just as he did in showing there was no hellfire and God was not a Trinity etc. But it is irrlevant. Overcome my points. Not what Brother Russell has written. I'm sure you will now bring up the great Pyamid but the fact is that I don't believe in the Great Pyramid as being sacred and neither do JWs today. When we have seen something is wrong we willingly make the changes unlike Christendom's religions.

Since no one can show me where the reasoning I have presented is wrong then what can we conclude?