I will make a bold prediction. If the end don't come very soon there will be more and more earthquakes since 1914 joining the over 50,000 deaths club. And so the percentage of Earthquakes since 1914 killing over 50,000 will continue to rise.
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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1908 ITALY: MESSINA/REGGIO 110,000
This one IS on the USGS list.
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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Here's another:
1721 IRAN: TABRIZ 100,000
USGS lists this for 1727.
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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I compared the list from the USGS and Carl Jonnson. They just do not match up. One has an agenda and the other doesn't as shown by Jonnson putting a typhoon on the list. Unless I see reason to disbelieve the USGS site I will have to go with them. Sorry, but I just do not trust Carl Jonnson.
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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Well, just for starters the one in 1737 INDIA: CALCUTTA 300,000 was most likely not an earthquakes but rather a typhoon, so says the US Geological survery.
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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TD, I see where you got this list from. From someone trying to disprove JWs. Can these be substantiated? By the way, the writer of the essay did have to admit this:
In view of the population increase it might seem only reasonable to expect that more people have died in earthquakes during our century than during earlier centuries.
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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Frank75 said: What tricky propaganda. Noah and his immediate family are called “Jehovah’s Servants” are they? What is that supposed to convey?
I say, unbelievable! Is a reply to this even necessary?
Heb 12:1 So, then, because we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us,
Who was included in that cloud of Jehovah's witnesses?
Heb 11: 7 By faith Noah, after being given divine warning of things not yet beheld, showed godly fear and constructed an ark for the saving of his household; and through this [faith] he condemned the world, and he became an heir of the righteousness that is according to faith.
2 Peter 2: 5 and he did not hold back from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a deluge upon a world of ungodly people;
I am going to have to stop answering ridiculous comments. Sorry, I just don't have the time. I think honest ones can easily see these kind of comments for what they are without anyone pointing it out.
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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As for AlanF's last long post about earthquakes etc. Sorry I will not be quoting the whole thing and refuting it. I doubt seriously that anyone even read it.
I will address the per capita question to show the ridiculousness of Alan's reasonings.
10 people were on a plane that crashed and all 10 people were killed. That is 100 percent on board was killed.
1000 people were on a plane that crashed and 999 were killed. That is only 99.9 percent.
Which plane crash would you say was the worst? Which plane crash would be most newsworthy? Jesus is talking about events that would be readily seen. Newsworthy events. An earthquake that kills 200,000 people in an area populated by 200 million people is much more newsworthy than an earthquake in an area that kills all 10 people living the area.
Get real and stop the mumbo jumbo.
Also do you disagree with this:
Deadliest earthquakes on record
Pos. Date Location Fatalities Magnitude Comments 1 January 23, 1556 Shaanxi, China 830,000 ~8 2 December 26, 2004 Off west coast northern Sumatra, Indonesia 283,100 9.0-9.3 Deaths from earthquake and tsunami. 3 July 27, 1976 Tangshan, China 255,000 (official) 7.5 Estimated death toll as high as 655,000. 4 August 9, 1138 Aleppo, Syria 230,000 5 December 22, 856+ Damghan, Iran 200,000 5 December 16, 1920 Ningxia-Gansu, China 200,000 8.6 Major fractures, landslides. 5 May 22, 1927 Tsinghai, China 200,000 7.9 Large fractures. 8 March 23, 893+ Ardabil, Iran 150,000 9 September 1, 1923 Kanto, Japan 143,000 7.9 Great Tokyo fire. 10 October 5, 1948 Ashgabat, Turkmenistan, USSR 110,000 7.3 Source: USGS http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/eqsmosde.html
And if you want to expand the list past the top 10 and include all earthquakes that killed 50,000 or more:
1908 12 28 Italy, Messina 70000 to 100000
(estimated)7.2 Deaths from earthquake and tsunami. 1290 09 China, Chihli 100000 2005 10 08 Pakistan 80361 7.6 1667 11 Caucasia, Shemakha 80000 1727 11 18 Iran, Tabriz 77000 1932 12 25 China, Gansu 70000 7.6 1755 11 01 Portugal, Lisbon 70000 8.7 Great tsunami. 1970 05 31 Peru 66000 7.9 $530,000,000 damage, great rock slide, floods. 1935 05 30 Pakistan, Quetta 30000 to 60000 7.5 Quetta almost completely destroyed. 1693 01 11 Italy, Sicily 60000 1268 Asia Minor, Silicia 60000 1990 06 20 Western Iran 40000 to 50000 7.7 Landslides. 1783 02 04 Italy, Calabria 50000 6 out of 10 or 11 out of 23 of the deadliest earthquakes occured since 1914.
Do you disagree with this list from the U.S. Geological Survey site?
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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thirdwitness
AlanF's words in italics. So at this point I want to see if these two JW defenders can quit being lukewarm, avoid being vomited out of Jesus' mouth, and tell us precisely, in no uncertain terms: When were the events in question in the scriptures that I quoted and commented upon fulfilled, if not very soon after Jesus' death? If not soon after Jesus' death, what scriptural proof can they provide?
Here they are:
"I say to YOU men, From henceforth YOU will see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of power and coming on the clouds of heaven." (Matthew 26:64)
"YOU persons will see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of power and coming with the clouds of heaven." (Mark 14:62)
"From now on the Son of man will be sitting at the powerful right hand of God." (Luke 22:69) I have provided tons of scriptural proof. Heb 10:13 and Psalms 110 being the ultimate. No where in the scriptures quoted does this pinpoint Jesus sitting down at the right hand of God as being equivalent to coming on the clouds. In fact, to the contrary, Revelation 1:9 written after 33CE shows that Jesus coming on the clouds at Armageddon when every eye will see him is a future event long after 33CE. Daniel 7:13, 14 also shows his coming on a cloud and gaining kingdom and power takes place in heaven and is at the time of the small horn. I have explained all of this in great detail.
"All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth." (Matthew 28:18) This has been so thoroughly explained. Even those who claim that Jesus received power upon his going to heaven in 33CE cannot explain how he said he had received all authority while still on earth before going to heaven. Unless you use reasonableness and other scriptures to show exactly what Jesus meant.
"For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:9-11)
Because the passage in Philippians uses language virtually identical to that in Daniel 7:13, 14 to describe Jesus' exalted and supreme position as ruler over everything, how can these JW defenders explain that the events described in Daniel were not fulfilled shortly after Jesus' resurrection? Let them explain to their readers exactly how it is that the events described in Daniel, according to their view, were fulfilled beginning in 1914 rather than shortly after Jesus' resurrection.
Sorry, but I do not see that Phil 2 is virtually identical to Daniel 7. Jesus was exalted to a superior position when he went to heaven of course. But there are oodles of scriptures that show that he would receive a special kingship as ruler of God's kingdom later. I have just shown them above. Since neither one of them has attempted as yet to do this, it will astound readers if either of them manages to do it now. I am astounded that you keep repeating nonsense over and over. You are the one who has not attempted to explain the Matt 24 and Luke 17 parallel. You are the one that cannot explain how Jehovah began to rule as king in Rev 11:17 or how Jesus received kingship in Rev 11:15 or how Jesus received kingship in Daniel 7 at the time of the small horn or how Jesus was still waiting for his enemies to be placed as a footstool some 30 years after his going to heaven or how Daniel 2 tells of God's kingdom being put in place at the time of the end of the last world power or how Ezekiel 21 and Daniel 4 are not the exact same stories or how the days of Noah or like the days/parousia of the Son of man. Oh yeah, and as Hillary_Step mentioned, since they both seem to consider W. E. Vine a supreme authority on the meaning of Greek words, how do they reconcile Vine's description with their claims? And how about relating these claims to the sub-definition given in Bauer's Lexicon (3rd edition, p. 784, def. 5)? How about you doing that for us since you claim Jesus received all authority while on earth but then went to heaven and received further kingship and authority. Why would we need to explain the word when the Bible explains it for us and you have to use the same explanations or else you are proved wrong? You AlanF have been soundly defeated and you do not have the humility to admit it. Nor do most of your friends. You cannot answer any of the problems that I have put before you above. Your theory is unscriptural undeniably.
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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Daniel 9:2 Daniel 9:2 :
The New Living Translation: “Jerusalem must lie desolate for seventy years.”
The Bible in Basic English: “the making waste of Jerusalem was to be complete, that is, seventy years.”
Young's Literal Translation: “concerning the fulfilling of the wastes of Jerusalem -- seventy years”
God's Word translation: “The LORD had told the prophet Jeremiah that Jerusalem would remain in ruins for 70 years.”
The Good News Translation: “the seventy years that Jerusalem would be in ruins ”
New Century Version: “Jerusalem would be empty ruins for seventy years.”
Contemporary English Version: “Jerusalem will lie in ruins for seventy years.”
In 2 Chronicles 36:20-21 2 Chronicles 36:20-21 it says King Nebuchadnezzar “carried off those remaining from the sword captive to Babylon, and they came to be servants to him and his sons until the royalty of Persia began to reign; to fulfill Jehovah’s word by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had paid off its Sabbaths. All the days of lying desolated [shamem] it kept sabbath, to fulfill seventy years.”
According to the Theological Word Book of the Old Testament, the word shamem means, “to be desolated, be deflowered, be deserted”.
Let us consult the other translations again:
God's Word translation: “While it lay in ruins , the land had its 70 years of rest.”
Contemporary English translation: “Judah was an empty desert , and it stayed that way for seventy years, to make up for all the years it was not allowed to rest.”
New Life Version: “For the seventy years that the land was not being used , the Day of Rest was kept.”
New International Reader's Version: “It rested . That deserted land wasn't farmed for a full 70 years.”
New International Version (UK): “The land enjoyed its Sabbath rests ; all the time of its desolation it rested , until the seventy years were completed.”
There is no reasonable doubt about the verses we have considered so far. They could not be more plain and clear in what they say. All the land, specifically including the capital city Jerusalem, would be a ruin, a deserted land, an empty desert, resting, not being used, desolate, a wasteland, a wilderness.
There is more proof, let's go back to the prophecy of Jeremiah about this 70 year devastation. There he said “A desolate waste the whole land will become , and shall I not carry out a sheer extermination? ... Every city is left, and there is no man dwelling in them .” ( Jeremiah 4:27 , 29b Jeremiah 4:27, 29b ) “Be corrected, O Jerusalem , that my soul may not turn away disgusted from you; that I may not set you as a desolate waste, a land not inhabited .” ( Jeremiah 9:11 Jeremiah 9:11 ) So we can see that the land, including “Jerusalem”, and “every city”, is to be left without an inhabitant.
Another part of the Bible, 2nd Chronicles, summarizes the whole 70 year period. There it says:
“He [Nebuchadnezzar] burned the Temple of Jehovah, tore down the walls of Jerusalem, torched its palaces, and wiped away everything that was of any beauty.
“Then he carried off everyone who was left to Babylon , where they served as slaves for him and his sons until the Medes came along and fulfilled the words of Jehovah through Jeremiah, and the land had observed its Sabbaths . For, during the seventy years that the land lay desolate, it was observing the Sabbath .
“It was in the first year of Cyrus the king of Persia, after the fulfillment of the words of Jehovah through the mouth of Jeremiah, that Jehovah awakened the spirit of Cyrus and commanded him to send a written proclamation throughout his kingdom that said, ‘Cyrus the king of Persia says, All the kingdoms of the earth have been given to me by Jehovah the God of heaven, and He told me to build a Temple to Him in Jerusalem in Judea. Who of you are His people? His God Jehovah is now with him, so let him return to Jerusalem !’” – 2 Chronicles 36:20-23 2 Chronicles 36:20-23
There is a smooth logical flow in the verses above. It tells us of the beginning and the end of the 70 years. First, it shows the city being destroyed and the last exiles being taken. Then when the “land lay desolate” (it is now truly desolate after Jerusalem being destroyed), it fulfilled its 70 years of Sabbath resting. The 70 years end after the Jews finally reinhabit the land.