Who has the latest list on the Governing Body and corporate officers?
I can't seem to find one.
please?
Randy
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Who has the latest list on the Governing Body and corporate officers?
by Dogpatch inwho has the latest list on the governing body and corporate officers?.
i can't seem to find one.. please?.
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Special Note
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well folks, this is it ... this big moment has arrived ... and as a result, i will have to be very careful about what i post ... however, the governing buzzard series is still on ... i have to get down to it soon ... just around the corner ... anytime now .
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Firpo Carr on the Governing Body and the Black Muslims
by Dogpatch inwas there a secret black man on the governing body?
review of "a history of jehovah's witnesses: from a black american perspective" .
by randall watters .
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Was There A Secret Black Man On The Governing Body?
Review Of "A History Of Jehovah's Witnesses: From A Black American Perspective"
by Randall Watters
Here is one book that is written from a unique perspective. It is entitled, A History of Jehovah's Witnesses: From a Black American Perspective by Firpo Carr, Ph.D. (Scholar Technological Institute of Research, Inc., 1992). The author is a black JW from South Central Los Angeles who claims to have a Ph.D. and is a full-time pioneer. His parents say he was a child prodigy. Carr says he is completing his doctoral work in theology, but does not say where (the Watchtower forbids a Witness to study at formal theological schools. It also unofficially forbids the writing of a book like this!). Carr attempts to document similarities between the Black Muslim movement and the Watchtower movement. He argues that Wallace D. Fard, founder of the Black Muslims, was influenced by the teachings of J.F. Rutherford, second president of the Watchtower Society. He quotes the book Elijah Muhammad: Religious Leader by Malu Halasa: "Though Fard may have embellished or exaggerated the details of his life, the origins of his teachings were not quite so mysterious. The Nation [of Islam] drew its principles not only from the Koran but also from the Bible, books about Freemasonry, and the philosophy of Joseph F. ('Judge :) Rutherford, leader of Jehovah 's Witnesses." (Emphasis added by Carr) Yet Carr remains unconvincing in drawing parallels between the Watchtower and the Nation of Islam. Aside from the strict monotheism of both religions as well as their revolt against the churches of Christendom, there appear to be few similarities. So what's the point? Carr begs the question. Interestingly, Carr does quote a few of the passages from The Watch Tower in C.T. Russell's time regarding the ridiculous views of the black man they held, such as how the black man would slowly turn white (sound like the Mormons, anyone?) After quoting a number of these and attempting to excuse Russell's ignorance, he says:
Shamefully, critics have misquoted this passage from the Society's literature in an attempt to misinform people, particularly blacks, who are interested in the teachings of the Bible as understood by the Witnesses. (See "Blacks and the Watchtower," Bethel Ministries Newsletter, July/August 1988, page 1, column 3, pp. 1 & 2.) The only shame belongs on the organization who would print such racist nonsense in the first place! The claim of "misquoting" by Carr does not stand up, nor does he demonstrate how my article is a misquote. Carr attempts to answer why there have been no blacks on the Watchtower's prestigious Governing Body, yet does not answer the question. His most astounding claim is that there WAS a black man on the Governing Body?William K. Jackson! Picking myself up off the floor, I wondered how he came to this conclusion, having known Bill Jackson from my six years at Bethel (1974-1980) and he was as white as a sheet with no black features whatsoever. Carr's only defense was that Bill Jackson "openly stated that he was black." That is news to all of us who worked at Bethel. Perhaps Carr needs a second book to correct the incredible fantasies in his first one, if the Watchtower doesn't disfellowship him first. -Editor.
from http://www.freeminds.org/african/firpocar.htm
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Does anyone know Firpo Carr?
by Butterflygal indoes anyone know anything about a man named firpo carr?
i heard he likes to attack all ex-witnesses, is a friend of michael jackson, is a black witness, lives in ca.
and teaches part time at a college..
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Dogpatch
One day years ago I was sitting on my patio on a Saturday, and two Witnesses come up, a tall African/American and a young man with him. The young man started witnessing to me, and he then called the tall guy "Firpo." Unbeknownst to Firpo Carr at the time, I had just finished writing a review of his book:
http://www.freeminds.org/african/firpocar.htm
I said, "You're Firpo Carr!" He said yes. I told him I was Randy Watters, and he responded by saying he had read my tract:
http://www.freeminds.org/history/whathapp.htm
Firpo was polite and talked about 10 minutes. The kid was dumbfounded and didn't say any more. I, on the other hand, was happy to have met him. For some reason several of the self-styled JW apologists have visited me. Some have even made Return Visits! No doubt they counted their time as well. :-))
By the way, the latest rumor is that I am a Communist:
http://www.beliefnet.com/boards/message_list.asp?pageID=1&discussionID=321809&messages_per_page=16
Ahh, it never ends! :-))
Randy Watters
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Michael Jackson's ex-wife concerned over Nation of Islam influence
by Dogpatch injacko bombshell: 'jewish' ex-wife vs. nation of islam.
debbie rowe, michael jackson's ex-wife and the mother of his two eldest children, is worried her kids are becoming muslims.. in the last few days, rowe has complained to friends that she does not want her children, paris and prince, exposed to the nation of islam.
jackson and his kids are currently living in the most expensive "safe house" in history, a beverly hills mansion rented, patrolled and monitored by the group.. more:.
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Jacko Bombshell: 'Jewish' Ex-Wife vs. Nation of Islam
Debbie Rowe, Michael Jackson's ex-wife and the mother of his two eldest children, is worried her kids are becoming Muslims.
In the last few days, Rowe has complained to friends that she does not want her children, Paris and Prince, exposed to the Nation of Islam. Jackson and his kids are currently living in the most expensive "safe house" in history, a Beverly Hills mansion rented, patrolled and monitored by the group.
MORE:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108328,00.html
Randy
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Danny's Tips for managing stress (cult-related)
by Dogpatch inhere is a good page with reminders that are very helpful from time to time!.
http://www.dannyhaszard.com/managestress.htm.
randy.
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Here is a good page with reminders that are very helpful from time to time!
http://www.dannyhaszard.com/managestress.htm
Randy
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Jehovah's Wife and her kids
by Dogpatch injehovah's wife and her kids.
this was a response that my friend cynthia sent back to this person in response to her questions.
mr. watters:.
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Dogpatch
that would be more accurate xjw_b12!
Randy
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Jehovah's Wife and her kids
by Dogpatch injehovah's wife and her kids.
this was a response that my friend cynthia sent back to this person in response to her questions.
mr. watters:.
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Dogpatch
you're sick, Euphemism! :-))
One cannot pass by the opportunity to have fun with this one, sounds like incest! LOL
Randy
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Jehovah's Wife and her kids
by Dogpatch injehovah's wife and her kids.
this was a response that my friend cynthia sent back to this person in response to her questions.
mr. watters:.
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Jehovah's Wife and her kids
This was a response that my friend Cynthia sent back to this person in response to her questions. :-))
Mr. Watters:
While putting together some Watchtower material for witnessing to JW's, I read a most troubling quote from The Watchtower, May 1, 1957 (page 275):
"In this way Paul identifies Jehovah's wife as His invisible universal organization, the mother of Christ and of his joint heirs."
Am I reading that correctly? Are they calling themselves "the mother of Christ"? Is the Watchtower Society calling itself Christ's mother?
Further on, it says:
"But since these children of Zion above have a heavenly destiny to reign with Christ, they also become a part of the universal organization that is God's wife, and will, with Christ, form the capital city of that organization. So, God's woman, Zion or Jerusalem above, is his universal organization, with one hundred forty-four thousand and one of her members or children eventually forming the capital city like a man-child government, ..."
Who is the wife, woman, bride? I am confused as to who they are calling the bride of Christ, the wife of God, etc. Can you help me understand exactly what they are claiming to be or refer me to a reference that will help me understand this. Thank you!
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That's true, I'm looking at the WT CD and just found the quote where it says, "In this way Paul identifies Jehovah?s wife as His invisible universal organization, the mother of Christ and of his joint heirs."
It appears that they are calling the Watchtower Organization "the mother of Christ". Wow! I always knew that they had said Jehovah was the father and the organization was the mother. But I hadn't seen it quite this way.
They always said that the "144,000" was the Bride of Christ. The following is from the book, "Kingdom Come", p. 177-78
10 Under what conditions will the Lord?s "other sheep" carry out their work? (John 10:16) Revelation chapter 21 tells us what we may expect. It describes "a new heaven and a new earth." No longer do corrupt human systems of government hold control in society, for "the former heaven and the former earth" have passed away. Also, the Devil and his subtle influence have been removed. No longer is there a confused "sea" of humanity, tossed to and fro as they pursue godlessness. Instead, a stable human society, the "new earth," will provide a firm basis for doing God?s will. There you may follow out loyally the directives of the "new heaven," comprised of the King and his "bride" of 144,000 members. In its capacity as "the holy city, New Jerusalem," this royal "bride" will ?come down from heaven? in that it turns attention to the reconstruction work to be done on earth. And with what happy results! As John relates:
Now check out the Watchtower 6/1/96 about "Jehovah's Woman", page 9:
3 To appreciate its significance, consider the various elements of the prophecy itself. The one addressed at Genesis 3:15 is the Serpent?not the lowly snake but the one who used it. (Revelation 12:9) "The woman" is not Eve but Jehovah?s heavenly organization, the mother of his spirit-anointed servants on earth. (Galatians 4:26) The Serpent?s "seed," is Satan?s seed, his offspring?demons and humans as well as human organizations that manifest the traits of Satan and that show enmity toward the "seed" of the woman. (John 15:19; 17:15) The woman?s "seed" is primarily Jesus Christ, who was anointed with holy spirit in 29 C.E. The 144,000, who are "born again . . . From water and spirit" and who are heirs of the heavenly Kingdom with Christ, are a subsidiary part of that seed of promise.
Gail, the Watchtower organization is just about elevated to sainthood, if not godhood. The "organization" is just all important and rank and file members of Jehovah's Witnesses believe that they cannot get along without "Jehovah's Organization".
Look what they say in the 3/15/91 Watchtower, page 11:
13 Jehovah rides this organization as if on a chariot, causing it to move to wherever his spirit impels it to move. It is not running wild, without control or intelligent supervision. God is not letting this organization go in any direction it might be inclined to go. Rather, it follows his directions. Together, all are moving unitedly forward to the full accomplishment of God?s objectives. What a marvelous heavenly organization is revealed by this vision of Jehovah?s four-wheeled celestial chariot on the move! In harmony with this, Jehovah?s organization is represented as being foursquare, in perfect balance.
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Randy
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Watchtower and the Twintowers
by kls innot long ago some one had a article on the watchtower saying the twintowers were evil.i think that is what it was.if anyone has it please post it again.i would like to add it to my collection.thanks kls
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It is somewhat speculative, but here is an article on the Twin Towers:
http://www.randytv.com/secret/wtc.htm
Randy
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