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  ...The WBT$ Theft of Kingdom Hall Bank Accounts and JW Elders...

  by OUTLAW in

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  .. the new wbt$ donation arrangement/ jw kingdom hall bank account theft... is a very hot topic right now... the wbt$ is literally going to clean out kingdom hall bank accounts,filled with donations from jws... that theft is going to happen world wide..the wbt$ is going to steal from 7 million plus jw`s... .. we have jw elders here on jwn,that know whats going on... they "serve" in kingdom halls,they are "supposed" to be looking after the welfare of the average jw... they know there is a 4 page letter,only one page will be read to the congregation..the rest will be kept secret... they know the wbt$ is about to steal jw donations..on a world wide scale!!!...

  .. i would like to know what you active jw elders are going to do about this??!!...

  are you going to let "your" congregation know about the other 3 secret pages?...

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  Dogpatch

  Non-profits have a right to allow supporters to use a specific contribution and designate it for a certain program of that particular organization. I've run a non-profit since the late 80s, took a class to learn the bookork and rules, and it is legit, as long as the cause you are donating to is not a PERSONAL gift of any kind to another person or organization (unless that organization or program is part of the main non-profit, and is not a "sale" or a purpose "outside the bun." ) See my other article nearby on NON-PROFITS.

  In that case, you should just give the individual in need money out of your own pocket. Unless they are part of the specific organization (i.e., board members) who find themselves in an emergency, and the bylaws allow it.

  (More in another article and on my site in a couple of days at freeminds2.org).

  Randy Watters

  http://freeminds.org

  http://freeminds2.org
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  Nestor and Toni Kuilan in the works of a new book!

  by A.proclaimer in

  1. watchtower
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  nestor and toni kuilan are writing a book of their memoirs surrounding their experience with the 1980 apostasy hunts.. .

  read a little bit about it here:.

  http://freeminds2.org/meet-nestor-and-toni-kuilan/.

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  Dogpatch

  Nestor and Toni will be interviewed in English, which they are masters of, as well as Spanish. You can't translate well unless you know BOTH languages better than 98% of the human race!

  I am sure if things go as planned, there will be a solid Spanish version. It would alter the course of a few hundred thousand Witnesses to hear it from them, especially with all the experiences out there already... just like a golden missing piece of a very complicated and ugly story. It will give them COURAGE.

  To leave.

  To stop the shunning and destruction of families from disfellowshipping.

  Spain and Brazil JWS are hot opponents of the WT vocally right now, it would be PERFECT timing for an interview with someone else who was there, me, watching it happen and feverishly making notes during the secret Bethel elder's meetings only attended by 300 old men who had been at Bethel for 500 years. Vampire Kings.

  Witness Albert Schroeder delight in taking the helm and engineering the destruction of all who oppose the mighty Watchtower.

  The wet-behind-the-ears new GB take turns pissing in their fight corner, all the time sucking up to the oldies. People like the current President of the main WT corporation. Members of the GB are not, or to my knowledge, NEVER WERE (in this generation) on the Governing Body. They are much more comfortable being totally UNKNOWN, as it enables them to do the most damage. They are the REALLY SICK DUDES behind the scenes. But they are quite aged. Yet they were brilliant in understanding the nature of the human alpha male desire for complete control. Normal accolades were simply pathetic to them. They delight in passing them on to their puppets on the GB. Tidbits for the doggies.

  Why do you think that is the case? If you can't answer that, you need to step out of your shell and meet the sharks in the REAL world. Study OTHER cults. Only then will you wake up and take the red pill. Problem is, most prefer the fantasy.

  Dogz
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  Nestor and Toni Kuilan in the works of a new book!

  by A.proclaimer in

  1. watchtower
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  nestor and toni kuilan are writing a book of their memoirs surrounding their experience with the 1980 apostasy hunts.. .

  read a little bit about it here:.

  http://freeminds2.org/meet-nestor-and-toni-kuilan/.

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  Dogpatch

  no problem, wallsofjericho, I do not give out such info.

  I am not asking for money, but thanks!

  I have just wanted to meet them for 32 years and hear THEIR side of the story!

  Randy
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  Nestor and Toni Kuilan in the works of a new book!

  by A.proclaimer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  nestor and toni kuilan are writing a book of their memoirs surrounding their experience with the 1980 apostasy hunts.. .

  read a little bit about it here:.

  http://freeminds2.org/meet-nestor-and-toni-kuilan/.

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  Dogpatch

  Thank you wallsofjericho!

  It helps. No paycheck for a year makes me very appreciative. :-))

  Randy
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  Nestor and Toni Kuilan in the works of a new book!

  by A.proclaimer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  nestor and toni kuilan are writing a book of their memoirs surrounding their experience with the 1980 apostasy hunts.. .

  read a little bit about it here:.

  http://freeminds2.org/meet-nestor-and-toni-kuilan/.

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  Dogpatch

  Puerto Rico! Our 51st state. :-))

  Randy
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  I have JUST become a GREAT GRANNY Of Twins.

  by mouthy in

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  henry 51bs 12 oz,eve 51bs 14 oz...phil my grnason by marriage just called.. ashley the new mum) my granddaughter who herself was a twin,from my melanie who died when she was 42(cancer).

  they are doing well born by ceaserian at 2.40p.m today!!!!!

  !.

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  Dogpatch

  Go Grace!

  You're amazing. Love you!

  Randy
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  Nestor and Toni Kuilan in the works of a new book!

  by A.proclaimer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  nestor and toni kuilan are writing a book of their memoirs surrounding their experience with the 1980 apostasy hunts.. .

  read a little bit about it here:.

  http://freeminds2.org/meet-nestor-and-toni-kuilan/.

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  Dogpatch

  Meet Nestor and Toni (used by permission form Cedars' article on his site).

  http://freeminds2.org/meet-nestor-and-toni-kuilan/

  Listen to Cris and Norma talk about their experience (from a Bill and Joan Cetnar ex-JW convention in the 80s).

  http://www.watchtowernews.org/media/sanchez.mp3

  Many more satiroes, links, interviews, video, etc.:

  http://www.randallwatters.org/Bethel/bethel.htm

  I spread these tapes all over the world, along with the very first expose' in print of The WT's ouster of Ray Franz by someone who watched it. 10,000 copies sent to every cult ministry and group of pastors I could find, all over the world, in 1981. (That's how my ministry got started in 1981).

  I was flabbergasted that no one from Bethel said a peep to the news for so long. So I visited Ed Gruss (author of the seminal Apostles of Denial). A year later Ray published Crisis of Conscience, filling out much of the rest of the story, and it (his book) changed the Watch Tower World forever.

  Not too many of us are still around from that era. I prefer video interviews, with no notes.

  Randy
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  Nestor and Toni Kuilan in the works of a new book!

  by A.proclaimer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  nestor and toni kuilan are writing a book of their memoirs surrounding their experience with the 1980 apostasy hunts.. .

  read a little bit about it here:.

  http://freeminds2.org/meet-nestor-and-toni-kuilan/.

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  Dogpatch

  

  I have arrangements to go visit Nestor and Toni in about 10 days.

  When I was at Bethel, they were dismissed from Bethel, and were then vilified by Albert Schroeder and all the other GB members. But although I kept in touch with Cris and Norma, I never got to locate Toni and Nestor. They worked with Cris and Norma and perhaps others in translating the NWT into Spanish.

  Wonderful, beautiful people. The WT's treatment of them was dispicable. I want to catch the feeling and emotions they experienced, and how they overcame the great shock, settled down, and started a new life. Nestor is also a life coach! Apparently a very good one, too.

  As it turn out, they have been back in Puerto Rico selling real estate for some time... and have quite a business going! Why not? Puerto Rico will probably be our 51st state sooner or later. It pretty much carries all the same laws, including retirement, medical, etc. if you have Medicare, SS, etc.

  Anyway, it will be great to stay up late at night and hear the story right from their mouths. If they allow me, I plan on videotaping much of them tell their experience if all works out as planned. It will be a first!

  Keep me in your thoughts and prayers that it all works out. I am going alone, paid entirely by miles I've saved for 6 years, and will be in an entirely different environment and people. But I sure want to get to talk to them a lot and ask questions I've had about their own personal experience since 1979. I left Bethel in 1980.

  It's great to finally meet people in person you have talked about for over 30 years. :-))

  Randy Watters

  http://freeminds.org

  http://freeminds2.org

  
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  Interview with an Apostate: Simon

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i had an idea for coming up with a standard(ish) set of interview questions which members of the ex-jw community could use to provide insights into their lives as a kind of series (yeah, i was thinking of "interview with a vampire", lol).. anyway, this is the result to show the sort of thing i'm thinking of (applied to myself) and i'd like feedback on the format and the questions as well as who you'd also like to see "interviewed".. feel free to provide your own life story as a separate topic or ask any additional questions that i've missed.

  it's not meant to be rigid so questions / themes can be adapted as needed and split / joined as appropriate.

  the common questions will hopefully apply to everyone for some consistency and to guide the writing process with additional questions asked that make sense to each subject.. well, here goes .... tell us a little about yourself and your family.. im an independent software developer who grew up in manchester (uk) but now lives in calgary (canada) with my wife angharad and two boys, liam and dylan.

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  thanks jgnat!

  Randy
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  Interview with an Apostate: Simon

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i had an idea for coming up with a standard(ish) set of interview questions which members of the ex-jw community could use to provide insights into their lives as a kind of series (yeah, i was thinking of "interview with a vampire", lol).. anyway, this is the result to show the sort of thing i'm thinking of (applied to myself) and i'd like feedback on the format and the questions as well as who you'd also like to see "interviewed".. feel free to provide your own life story as a separate topic or ask any additional questions that i've missed.

  it's not meant to be rigid so questions / themes can be adapted as needed and split / joined as appropriate.

  the common questions will hopefully apply to everyone for some consistency and to guide the writing process with additional questions asked that make sense to each subject.. well, here goes .... tell us a little about yourself and your family.. im an independent software developer who grew up in manchester (uk) but now lives in calgary (canada) with my wife angharad and two boys, liam and dylan.

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  Dogpatch

  Good one Simon!

  Keep up the good work!

  Randy Watters

  P.S. I want to host your interview. But please use my email... I don't check email here. Also my number is 310-xxx-xxx, and best email is elportolocal"at"gmail.com.

  [Randy, I've copied your response to the private section. To keep away telescammers, etc. - jgnat]