I hired an airplane to fly over Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles around 1982 or 1984. It had the message "1980 Bethel Shakeup" with a phone number. Probably three different families later communicated with me, saying that it had helped them get out. I didn't find out about most of them until years later! They mentioned how they had to remember the number until they could go to the bathroom or somewhere private and write it down. Bethel made sure we couldn't do that next time around!
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Conventions & "Apostates"
by patio34 injust throwin' this on the table:.
who are those people outside of the conventions every year with signs?
we always called them apostates, but who knew?
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naughty elder in Detroit
by Dogpatch inpassed on from a loyal jw:.
disgrace was surely brought upon jehovah's name last night.
on the 10 o'clock news there is this program called the problem solvers.
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passed on from a loyal JW:
Disgrace was surely brought upon Jehovah's name last night. On the 10 o'clock news there is this program called the problem solvers. They tend to follow city, state, and school board employees. They track these people doing things they ought not, and air it on the news. Most everyone in metro Detroit watches it. Last night they aired a story of a Detroit school employee that grossed about $95,000 last year, $43,000 of it being in over time. They found this to be odd and tracked him over the period of a week.
The man was an Elder in a Detroit congregation. He would go to work on the weekend for 5 min. Then leave to meet with the group for field service. it was terrible. They showed him at people's doors witnessing, the kingdom hall, and the car groups. They mentioned numerous times that he was an elder in the congregation, the equivalent to a pastor. The time he spent out in service he was logging as over time. The news crew confronted him as well, asking if he worked on the weekend. He told them yes. They said they had a video of him doing things other than working. They asked if he was acting honestly and if he was setting a good example to the congregation. He refused to comment and walked away.
It was truly a disgrace to Jehovah's name and the organization. I bet they'll mention it in an article or at the district convention. This news special will be re-shown and posted on the Internet. Might already be at www.clickondetroit.com click on the problem solvers.
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WB&TS of Pennsylvania financial figures
by expatbrit ina few financial figures that happen to have fallen into my sweaty palms.
while only a small piece of the wt's financial jigsaw puzzle, they effectively illustrate the level of $ under the society's control.
watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania.
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physical abuse story
by Dogpatch infrom the free minds sexual abuse guest log:.
http://www.exjws.net/sexabuse/abuseguestlog.htm.
back in 89 i started living with my dad.
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from the Free Minds Sexual Abuse guest log:
http://www.exjws.net/sexabuse/abuseguestlog.htmBack in 89 I started living with my dad. He had become a witness the year before, about a year after he and my mother divorced. Briefly before moving in with him, as a part of our weekend visits with him, he would take us to meetings. He was steadily gaining rank in his congregation, and would have us involved in bible studies and whatnot. There was one or two occasions of him being abusive prior to moving in with him, but being 7 I disregarded the incidents as my father being simply "mad". Moving in was fairly smooth, and life was OK for about two months. Then the abuse began to slowly creep in. I remember my father speaking with one of the brothers in the congregation about how to raise their children. "D." said that the way a child was to be raised was by the belt. My father agreed to my dismay. Over the period of the next year the abuse increased by ten fold. What was the occasional slap or spanking turned into beltings and occasions of being thrown around. By '91 I had begun to grow tiresome of living in this condition, and fantasized living with my mother, who was off doing her own thing. An emotional wreck (suffering an "emotional breakdown"; a way for baby boomers children to stop accepting their responsiblities), my mother ignored my pleas to move out. As time grew on, and me and my siblings did our stupid childish things, the abuse progressed. Between 91 and 96 my father proceeded from plain old child rearing to full on child abuse. Among the many forms of abuse: I've been scalded with hot coffee, had a barrage of books thrown at me (including the hefty duty large print 5 pound bible), filthy socks shoved in my mouth and being hog tied, slammed against walls, dragged around the house by the collar of my shirt, beaten for 6 hours with the belt while sisters in the congregation sat outside the room opposing nothing, countless spoons broken on my backend, pizza pans slammed against my head, among countless other incidents that I could cite. From '91 to '96 I approached the elders of the congregation regarding my fathers abuse. While they seemed attentive to my issues, they did nothing against my father. He was able to dismiss my accusations as mear childhood exaggerations instead of the plain truth. Problem was, even if he did cop to something, when we got home I'd get a beating far worse then what I reported earlier that night. After like 5 times of this happening, I finally became to scared to approach individuals that were unable to assist me with this issue. I would go on to approach the authorities, but my father was slick enough to get by them. Finally I ran away from home when I was 14, going to live with my grandparents, and finally my mom. About two years ago, I discovered that all of the Allstar JW's in my congregation (except for two wonderful dear people) were all abusing their kids, going to the extent of molestation too! As a matter of fact my sister recently revealed to my mother that she was molested by my father when she was a kid. This has yet to have any resolution. I'm not attacking the religion, no wait I am. My problems with the religion in genera; would be far too long, and what I have written here is just the tip of the iceburg. Don't treat JW's like they're the devil (as a kid I've had countless doors slammed in my face). BE nice and courtious. But remember, it's not as squeaky clean as it appears. In fact, it's filthier then shit itself. Abandon religion, but accept the fact there may be a god (just not what churches and whatnot want you to believe). All religion breaks down into respect for others and yourself. It's the whole Karhma thing. Don't let religion dictate life to you. Run on feelings and your gut. Sometimes it's the best way to go.
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another molestation story...
by Dogpatch inhttp://www.vvdailypress.com/cgi-bin/newspro/viewnews.cgi?newsid987298017,12151,.
adelanto man takes molestation plea.
for weekends in jail.
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http://www.vvdailypress.com/cgi-bin/newspro/viewnews.cgi?newsid987298017,12151,
Adelanto man takes molestation plea
for weekends in jail
court: The parents of one young victim say they
expected harsher sentence.By SCOTT VANHORNE/Staff Writer
VICTORVILLE A 20-year-old Adelanto man accused of
molesting two young girls accepted a plea bargain allowing
him to admit to a misdemeanor charge and serve 210 days
in jail on weekends.Scott Gilmans sentence, handed down in Victorville
Superior Court Friday, infuriated one victims family.I was thinking he would get three to five years in state
prison; no less, Winford Roberson said.It makes me feel like hes doing a part-time job at his own
convenience, Kim Roberson said.In 1998 when the couples daughter was 3 years old,
Gilman reportedly took the girl into a bathroom at the
Jehovahs Witnesses Kingdom Hall in Adelanto and
molested her in one of the stalls.Church officials did an internal investigation of the incident
and determined nothing had happened. The girls parents
later reported the molestation to the Adelanto Police
Department, according to court records.Gilman was also accused of molesting a 4-year-old girl in
her playhouse.The District Attorneys office filed two charges of lewd acts
with a child against Gilman in April 1999, and the case
dragged on until the defendant pleaded guilty to annoying or
molesting a child, a misdemeanor, earlier this year.The other felony charge was dropped in accordance with
the plea bargain.If Gilman had been convicted on both of the original
charges, he would have faced three to 10 years in state
prison. Gilmans attorney, Rollin Rauschl, said his client
has maintained his innocence since the beginning of the
ordeal.Rather than go to trial, my client agreed to take a plea
bargain, Rauschl said. In his wildest dreams, he never
thought picking up a child would be child annoyance.Rauschl said prosecutors offered the deal because they
knew the case against Gilman was weak. Both victims
were very young, and the investigation into the allegations
didnt start until more than nine months after the incidents
reportedly occurred, he said.Deputy District Attorney Connie Standley, who handled the
case, was not available for comment.Probation Officer Monica Stidham interviewed Gilman before
he was sentenced and recommended that he serve more
time in jail than the plea bargain allowed.The truth is Mr. Gilman could still be a danger to the
community if allowed to do weekends without getting some
counseling before he is released to the community, she
wrote. It is strongly recommended that Mr. Gilman serve
360 straight days in county jail.Besides the jail time, Gilman must also register as a sex
offender for the rest of his life, pay the Robersons more than
$3,000 in restitution and serve three years supervised
probation.Meanwhile, the Robersons have moved to Los Angeles
County. They said they wanted to get away from the High
Desert and all the memories it holds.
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Randall Watters exposed
by StiLLinTruth inhello again friends!.
well it was time again for me to take my weekly dose of apostate faeces and see what it tastes like.
decided to check out randy watters this time (we all love him here) and his little testimony on freeminds.org, titled "what happened at bethel in 1980?
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An expose of Randall Watters?
It looks like an advertisement to me!
Now a lot more can listen to the experience of me at Bethel and decide for themselves!
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For Randy Watters/Freeminds.org...
by sf inhi randy, .
how ya doing?
hope you are feeling well these days.. i just checked in to your homepage, as i do every single day to stay up-to-date and caught the new net soup menu re: why so manyy wts pages and/or related pages that are harder to access via net.. i spend a great deal of my time providing man urls to sites where i know they will be seen and booked.
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Actually, I have never taken anything off because of fear of the Watchtower. With me it is more likely to assume that either links have been broken to temporary URLs, or I forget where things are. With over 100 megabytes and thousands of files online, it is at times hard to keep track. If you supply me with the URLs/info I will put them up. Thanks!
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It's ALL good today
by Mommie Dark inbecause today is mommie and papa dark's tenth wedding anniversary!
the mil took us out to dinner last night; it was very nice.
today i get to go see my sister!!!
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tears of sorrow, tears of joy
by Mommie Dark incoming out of this religion nearly killed me.
every single core belief i ever held has been mangled, strangled, drawn&quartered, dipped in pitch and burnt and reduced to carbon ash.
my mind and heart got buried in the soulquake; a protoplasmic blob of rage of pain of stifled grief was all that remained of the human who was born me in lodi ohio.
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Why our beliefs are true...
by Dogpatch infrom gary busselman:.
a quote from skeptical inmquirer.
"finally, beliefs survive best when their adherents feel they are part of a cohesive community; an ideologue who gives his followers a sense of belonging has already won the battle against skeptics who seek to disconfirm his teachings.
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from Gary Busselman:
A quote from Skeptical Inmquirer"Finally, beliefs survive best when their adherents feel they are part of a cohesive community; an ideologue who gives his followers a sense of “belonging” has already won the battle against skeptics who seek to disconfirm his teachings. His followers can simply point to all the other members who still endorse the beliefs, prophecies, or principles that have not (yet) been disproven. The more of these people there are, the greater the “proof” that the leader speaks the truth. “How could so many of us all be wrong?” the believer will ask.
Skeptics who criticize illogical group beliefs need to be aware of these realities. ... More importantly, skeptics need to remember that the people who buy into such beliefs are seeking a sense of meaning in their lives. The reason they so viciously resist the assault of logic is because they cannot bear to be stripped of their sense of belonging. Their devotion to the charismatic founder of their group makes them feel both protected and privileged, often for the first time in their lives. . ."Jason Zweig
Investing Columnist
Money Magazine
New York, NYSKEPTICAL INQUIRER March/April 2001 page 65