Saint Satan,
You should contact Steven Hassan at:
http://www.freedomofmind.com
He is licensed in hypnotherapy and is a good exit-counselor.
Randy Watters
Dogpatch
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I still hate.......
by ashitaka inwhat things do you guys hate, why, and what do you do about it?.
ashi.
"you ever get lonely?.".
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Fascinating Similarities
by Farkel inthis was written by izzat majeed, a pakistani writer, with slight changes made by yours truly.
the words ring so true with those changes in defining the intransigence of the wts, though:.
"we muslimsjehovah's witnesses cannot keep blaming the west satan the devil for all our ills...the embarrassment of wretchedness among us is beyond repair.
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Why I Do What I Do - Randy Watters
by Dogpatch inhi friends,.
i have been overwhelmed by the number of witnesses contacting me on the net lately.
traffic to the site has more than tripled since feb. 1999, and i am getting tons of email every day.
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Thank you Mommie Dearest!
I will be gay with you and play in pink Gothic castles in the woods. Let's go.Thanks Kristen!
Sirona: Thank you, I have already planned to overhaul some more objectionable humor, such as the Museum site. Check it out in about a week. -
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Nails through Jesus wrists or palms?
by WTLies inhas anyone noticed, in the recent drawings (1990) of jesus on the stake by the watchtower that the nails are through his wrists instead of through his hands?
i did read something on that but i cant find where i read it, they said that his hands could not support the weight of his body so they now show the nails in his wrists.
if you know where this explanation can be found please let me know.
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Part of an article at:
http://www.freeminds.org/doctrine/cross.htm"Two Questions About Crucifixion" reads the title of a fascinating article in the April 1989 issue of Bible Review. Below it were two subheadings, "Does the Victim Die of Asphyxiation," and "Would Nails in the Hand Hold the Weight of the Body?"
In it the author discredits the previous theory of crucifixion as formulated by A. A. LeBec in 1925 and given widespread publicity by Dr. Pierre Barbet from 1953 on, that (1) Jesus died of asphyxiation due to being unable to raise himself up to breathe, and (2) the nails through his hands were actually through his wrists (assuming the palms of the hands could not hold the body weight). It now appears that the evidence does not support Barbet's theory.
Medical research for this project was done by Frederick T. Zugibe, who is adjunct associate professor of pathology at Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons, as well as author of The Cross and the Shroud--A Medical Examiner Investigates the Crucifixion. Zugibe demonstrates quite conclusively that:
(1) Jesus did not die of asphyxiation, but rather from shock and trauma. Additionally, an impaled man with arms stretched straight over his head (as the Watchtower depicts) would suffocate in minutes, whereas a man with hands outstretched to the side at an angle of 60 70 degrees (as on a cross) could live for hours without suffocating.
(2) There are two locations in the PALM of each HAND that will allow a nail to penetrate and carry the full body weight up to several hundred pounds, making the "wrist theory" unnecessary to explain how Christ's arms were attached to the cross.
Years ago, LeBec and Barbet had concluded that a person hung by his arms overhead would suffocate in a manner of minutes, due to the inability of the lungs to expand and contract in such a position. Additionally, an Austrian radiologist, Hermann Moedder, experimented with medical students in the 40's, hanging them by their wrists with their hands directly above their heads (much like the Watchtower pictures Jesus on a stake). In a few minutes, the students became pale, their lung capacity dropped from 5.2 to 1.5 liters, blood pressure decreased and the pulse rate increased. Moedder concluded that inability to breathe would occur in about six minutes if they were not allowed to stand and rest.
The same would apply to Christ, IF he were suspended on a stake as the Watchtower depicts him, hung from hands bound directly overhead. He would have suffocated in a matter of minutes.
Zugibe, however, discovered that if students were hung by hands outstretched to the side at 60-70 degrees, they would have no trouble breathing for hours on end. Since Luke 23:44 and Matthew 27:45,46 show that Christ was on the cross for about three hours, the evidence points again to death on a traditional cross.
Zugibe carried out his experiments using a number of volunteers who were willing to try hanging from a cross with several variations, none requiring the mutilation of their flesh or bodily damage. Special leather gloves were used to attach the hands to the crossbeam. To demonstrate that a nail through the hand could hold several hundred pounds, Zugibe, in another experiment, used the severed arms of fresh cadavers, nailing them through either of two locations in the palm of the hands (see illustration) and suspending weights from the arms (a rather gruesome experiment, to say the least!).
If Jesus did not die of asphyxiation, then what was the cause of his death? Let's review the events of the day Christ died.
First, Jesus experienced loss in blood volume both from perspiration and from the sweating of blood, due to his mental anguish. After being arrested, he was scourged with a leather whip that had metal weights or bone chips at the ends. As the tips penetrated the skin, the nerves, muscles and skin were traumatized. Exhaustion with shivering, severe sweating, and seizures would follow. Much body fluid would be lost. Even before being hung on the cross, Jesus may have already entered a state of shock, due to the scourging, the irritation of the nerves of the scalp due to the crown of thorns, and by being struck several times. Finally, he was nailed to the cross by large, square iron nails driven through both hands, as well as his feet. The damage to the nerves brought incredible pain, adding to the shock and loss of water. Over a period of three hours, every slight move would have brought excruciating pain. Death would result from extreme shock due to a combination of exhaustion, pain and loss of blood.
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Why I Do What I Do - Randy Watters
by Dogpatch inhi friends,.
i have been overwhelmed by the number of witnesses contacting me on the net lately.
traffic to the site has more than tripled since feb. 1999, and i am getting tons of email every day.
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Thanks Simon! Probably 25% of my orders are from overseas. I've got that one down, and know more about overseas shipping than anyone at the local post offices. :-))
The U.S. postal system is pretty complex and changes continually. Since the latest overseas price increases, airmail is often cheaper than surface mail. No wonder they are losing money, what a bureaucracy there!Thank you Prisca, waiting and Mac. A hug to Rex!
I have been to Australia twice, and Jan Groenveld is a close friend. I had a lot of fun with my name over there! :-))
I know to many I seem self-aggrandizing with my sites and stuff, but usually I am just having fun. I am surrounded by Hollywood minions over here, and it just keeps rubbing off on me.
To get "randy" Check out the sock-puppet thingy at the bottom of:
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Interesting web stats-JW and ex-JW traffic
by Dogpatch in3: 0: : http://.
341409: http://www.freeminds.org/.
14610: http://freeminds.org/.
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I mentioned in another post that the website traffic for www.freeminds.org has tripled since February 1999. I am sure this is the same for many of you with sites on JWs. Discussion boards like this get very much more traffic due to their nature, but mine is not a discussion board.
Many of the newcomers are Jehovah's Witnesses. The following is a smaller version of my stats for October 2001, with three areas that might be of interest to those who have their own web pages. This is just for the one site, not the other 3 I have.
1) the numbers of people coming from which countries
2) what pages they are looking at the most
3) where they are clicking from/search engines, your websitesMight be helpful or just plain interesting!
Randy WattersWeb Server Statistics for Freeminds Inc.
Program started at Sun-04-Nov-2001 03:47.
Analysed requests from Mon-01-Oct-2001 00:02 to Wed-31-Oct-2001 23:59 (31.0 days).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------General Summary
(Figures in parentheses refer to the 7 days to 04-Nov-2001 03:47).
Successful requests: 581,982 (70,089)
Average successful requests per day: 18,774 (10,012)
Successful requests for pages: 155,421 (18,351)
Average successful requests for pages per day: 5,013 (2,621)
Failed requests: 25,129 (2,446)
Redirected requests: 289 (44)
Distinct files requested: 2,342 (1,865)
Distinct hosts served: 32,042 (5,291)
Corrupt logfile lines: 1,322
Data transferred: 4,450 Mbytes (538,447 kbytes)
Average data transferred per day: 147,035 kbytes (76,921 kbytes)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Domain Report
Listing domains, sorted by the amount of traffic.#reqs: Mbytes: %bytes: domain
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172221: 1338: 30.06%: .com (Commercial)
177254: 1291: 29.01%: .net (Network)
123244: 938: 21.07%: [unresolved numerical addresses]
14151: 101: 2.28%: .ca (Canada)
12921: 99: 2.21%: .au (Australia)
12702: 88: 1.99%: .edu (USA Educational)
4891: 81: 1.82%: .jp (Japan)
8943: 66: 1.48%: .uk (United Kingdom)
6096: 47: 1.07%: .dk (Denmark)
1828: 36: 0.81%: [unknown domains]
4461: 35: 0.79%: .us (United States)
2693: 24: 0.55%: .mx (Mexico)
3575: 24: 0.53%: .org (Non-Profit Making Organisations)
2996: 23: 0.52%: .es (Spain)
2282: 23: 0.52%: .fr (France)
2991: 23: 0.51%: .it (Italy)
2516: 20: 0.45%: .nz (New Zealand)
2687: 19: 0.44%: .nl (Netherlands)
2892: 18: 0.40%: .mil (USA Military)
1627: 13: 0.29%: .be (Belgium)
1613: 11: 0.24%: .se (Sweden)
1697: 10: 0.23%: .gov (USA Government)
1259: 10: 0.23%: .br (Brazil)
1356: 10: 0.22%: .de (Germany)
1113: 7: 0.15%: .fi (Finland)
773: 7: 0.15%: .za (South Africa)
576: 7: 0.15%: .ar (Argentina)
1048: 6: 0.13%: .pt (Portugal)
828: 5: 0.12%: .no (Norway)
614: 5: 0.10%: .at (Austria)
515: 4: 0.10%: .ch (Switzerland)
616: 4: 0.09%: .is (Iceland)
447: 4: 0.08%: .pl (Poland)
250: 4: 0.08%: .do (Dominican Republic)
371: 4: 0.08%: .cr (Costa Rica)
384: 3: 0.07%: .co (Colombia)
213: 3: 0.07%: .my (Malaysia)
347: 3: 0.07%: .ie (Ireland)
255: 3: 0.06%: .cl (Chile)
240: 2: 0.05%: .tw (Taiwan)
259: 2: 0.05%: .sa (Saudi Arabia)
230: 2: 0.05%: .sg (Singapore)
166: 2: 0.05%: .cz (Czech Republic)
745: 2: 0.05%: .hu (Hungary)
270: 2: 0.04%: .gr (Greece)
100: 2: 0.04%: .ru (Russia)
152: 2: 0.03%: .ec (Ecuador)
124: 1: 0.03%: .arpa (Old style Arpanet)
205: 1: 0.03%: .cy (Cyprus)
173: 1: 0.02%: .tt (Trinidad and Tobago)
75: 1: 0.02%: .hk (Hong Kong)
58: 1: 0.02%: .in (India)
91: 1: 0.02%: .id (Indonesia)
112: 1: 0.02%: .ua (Ukraine)
99: 1: 0.02%: .ee (Estonia)
350: 1: 0.02%: [domain not given]
71: 1: 0.02%: .ro (Romania)
131: 1: 0.02%: .sk (Slovak Republic)
126: 1: 0.02%: .lu (Luxembourg)
76: 1: 0.02%: .si (Slovenia)
63: 1: 0.01%: .ae (United Arab Emirates)
4: 1: 0.01%: .lv (Latvia)
70: 0: 0.01%: .ve (Venezuela)
133: 0: 0.01%: .uy (Uruguay)
65: 0: 0.01%: .hr (Croatia)
57: 0: 0.01%: .bo (Bolivia)
36: 0: 0.01%: .pe (Peru)
28: 0: 0.01%: .il (Israel)
85: 0: 0.01%: .int (International)
20: 0: 0.01%: .mu (Mauritius)
21: 0: 0.01%: .zm (Zambia)
25: 0: : .yu (Yugoslavia)
25: 0: : .jo (Jordan)
43: 0: : .jm (Jamaica)
26: 0: : .zw (Zimbabwe)
5: 0: : .nu (Niue)
22: 0: : .pg (Papua New Guinea)
22: 0: : .fj (Fiji)
3: 0: : .ng (Nigeria)
26: 0: : .ph (Philippines)
5: 0: : .gt (Guatemala)
21: 0: : .hn (Honduras)
4: 0: : .lb (Lebanon)
6: 0: : .th (Thailand)
15: 0: : .tg (Togo)
7: 0: : .ni (Nicaragua)
3: 0: : .pf (Polynesia (French))
13: 0: : .aw (Aruba)
11: 0: : .by (Belarus)
2: 0: : .bg (Bulgaria)
1: 0: : .tr (Turkey)
5: 0: : .eg (Egypt)
1: 0: : .kr (South Korea)
1: 0: : .ge (Georgia)
1: 0: : .cc (Cocos (Keeling) Islands)
1: 0: : .nc (New Caledonia (French))
1: 0: : .cu (Cuba)
1: 0: : .mt (Malta)
2: 0: : .lt (Lithuania)
1: 0: : .sv (El Salvador)
1: 0: : .bm (Bermuda)
1: 0: : .bn (Brunei Darussalam)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Directory Report
Listing directories, sorted by the amount of traffic.#reqs: Mbytes: %bytes: directory
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196198: 1340: 30.10%: [root directory]
137724: 629: 14.13%: /sales/
26332: 499: 11.20%: /history/
14814: 334: 7.51%: /doctrine/
24048: 263: 5.90%: /bethel/
9717: 107: 2.41%: /bethel/toons/
18747: 260: 5.85%: /psych/
7932: 165: 3.70%: /video/
11359: 146: 3.29%: /stories/
25439: 99: 2.23%: /african/
8927: 97: 2.17%: /ts-s/
23856: 92: 2.06%: /_vti_bin/
315: 73: 1.63%: /_vti_bin/_vti_aut/
23269: 17: 0.39%: /_vti_bin/fpcount.exe/
5603: 76: 1.71%: /foreign/
6573: 68: 1.53%: /ts3/
7021: 55: 1.24%: /aftrhour/
718: 41: 0.93%: /soup/
4802: 41: 0.92%: /buss/
2498: 33: 0.74%: /ts4/
33094: 33: 0.74%: /js/
3224: 33: 0.73%: /ts2/
231: 16: 0.36%: /ts2/bitmaps/
6792: 32: 0.73%: /ts/
2722: 31: 0.70%: /legal/
3420: 27: 0.61%: /women/
4107: 20: 0.45%: /family/
705: 10: 0.23%: /science/
1528: 8: 0.19%: /kids/
1494: 8: 0.17%: /h2o/
644: 5: 0.11%: /fishin/
539: 4: 0.08%: /_fpclass/
92: 1: 0.02%: /fun/
3: 0: 0.01%: /Stats/
727: 0: : /icons/
196: 0: : /images/
3: 0: : http://
45: 0: : /affiliates/
36: 0: : /audio/
14: 0: : /analogimages/
4: 0: : /cgi-bin/
2: 0: : /_derived/--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Referring Site Report
Listing the first 100 referring sites by the number of requests, sorted by the number of requests.#reqs: site
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341409: http://www.freeminds.org/
14610: http://freeminds.org/
10413: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/
5083: http://www.google.com/
3428: http://www.watchtowernews.org/
2620: http://search.msn.com/
2306: http://google.yahoo.com/
1974: http://www.exjws.net/
982: http://digilander.iol.it/
782: http://search.freefind.com/
763: http://home.earthlink.net/
748: http://www.jwtruth.com/
724: http://www.geocities.com/
583: http://aolsearch.aol.com/
574: http://www.gospelcom.net/
574: http://images.google.com/
555: http://www.altavista.com/
528: http://auto.search.msn.com/
488: http://search.yahoo.com/
465: http://search.excite.com/
396: http://members.aol.com/
316: http://watchtower.observer.org/
294: http://dir.yahoo.com/
286: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/
278: http://www.carm.org/
271: http://search.msn.co.uk/
238: http://www.cartserver.com/
234: http://search.dogpile.com/
202: http://www.overture.com/
175: http://www.ask.com/
156: http://search.lycos.com/
152: http://www.jwfiles.com/
151: http://infopop.univision.com/
142: http://search.msn.com.mx/
128: http://www.infoworld.org/
126: http://hotbot.lycos.com/
124: http://www.tassie.net.au/
122: http://www.thetruthhurts.freeservers.com/
117: http://xjw.virtualave.net/
110: http://www.aimoo.com/
106: http://www.serve.com/
105: http://www.religioustolerance.org/
104: http://elmundo.reverso.net/
101: http://www.askjeeves.com/
95: http://translate.google.com/
93: http://search.netscape.com/
91: http://search.ke.voila.fr/
86: http://www.machynlleth.freeserve.co.uk/
82: http://www.kassiber.de/
82: http://search.msn.es/
81: http://wtsurvivors.homestead.com/
80: http://websearch.cs.com/
79: http://directory.google.com/
79: http://www.premier1.net/
79: http://www.xjw.com/
78: http://msn.directhit.com/
77: http://www.goto.com/
77: http://www.angelfire.com/
77: http://hardtruth.topcities.com/
73: http://www.google.fr/
72: http://www.psnw.com/
71: http://www.teenopendiary.com/
71: http://groups.yahoo.com/
70: http://www.looksmart.com/
68: http://search.excite.ca/
67: http://www.escapefromwatchtower.com/
66: http://srd.yahoo.com/
65: http://search.yupimsn.com/
63: http://www.macgregorministries.org/
62: http://search.aol.com/
62: http://mindit.netmind.com/
61: http://search.iwon.com/
58: http://www.google.co.uk/
57: http://www.northernlight.com/
57: http://search.msn.ca/
56: http://www.factnet.org/
55: http://www.holyscriptures.com/
52: http://fr.google.yahoo.com/
49: http://users.uniserve.com/
48: http://mx.google.yahoo.com/
47: http://espanol.google.yahoo.com/
46: http://www.google.de/
46: http://www.messagefriends.com/
45: http://home.powertech.no/
45: http://www.alltheweb.com/
45: http://search.msn.fr/
44: http://partners.search.msn.com/
44: http://www.dreamwater.com/
43: http://messages.clubs.yahoo.com/
43: http://www.consolidatedcap.com/
42: http://www.anestesia.com.mx/
40: http://answering-islam.org.uk/
40: http://www.newlightministries.com/
39: http://search.ninemsn.com.au/
39: http://profiles.yahoo.com/
37: http://answering-islam.org/
37: http://www.webshowplace.com/
37: http://www.caic.org.au/
34: http://www.jesus-witnesses.com/
34: http://www.worldnet.att.net/
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by Dogpatch inhi friends,.
i have been overwhelmed by the number of witnesses contacting me on the net lately.
traffic to the site has more than tripled since feb. 1999, and i am getting tons of email every day.
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Hi Waiting,
You can see the comment from The Complete Idiot's Guide to Religions Online at:Thanks Outlaw!
Prisca might want to check out my really randy site at:
http://www.randytv.com
:-))Gumby: Some people are mentally imbalanced and need a structure or community to survive, and some of these will never pursue another faith. Better to stay in than jump off a bridge. Beleive me, there are many dubs like that. For others, they might stay in for family reasons but can still bide their time growing. Sooner or later they may get out, but many need counseling and will never receive it. Many others are ripe for a new life, and those are the ones that will leave. The Watchtower is, after all, a family, albeit an abusive one. Some people become very self-destructive without a family to be accountable to.
Utopian: thanks friend! Peace.
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by Dogpatch inhi friends,.
i have been overwhelmed by the number of witnesses contacting me on the net lately.
traffic to the site has more than tripled since feb. 1999, and i am getting tons of email every day.
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Hey all! So many nice responses, I thank all of you including Simon, Dino, Sunny, John W., Farkel, Rex, Lilacs, Abaddon, tdogg, Littletoe, Room215, MrMoe, Just2laws, D Wiltshire, and dannyboy. I did not take Cygnus comments as an attack, but it is a tacky question to ask a person in a public forum. :-))
To Utopian,
I call the incident that happened in 1980 as the Franz Incident because it is descriptive. Yet it is every bit my story as much as Ray's,
for the following reasons:
1) I was a Bethel elder and heard most of the same lines from the GB members as Ray did during the Bethel elders meetings, which were not family affairs. Most of my notes from the tract at:
http://www.freeminds.org/history/whathapp.htm
were taken from my own handwritten notes during those meetings. I also attended several that Ray did not, since he left early on during that time. I wrote about a lot of stuff that happened there that he missed. Yet we all add some things. I was the first ex-JW to write about what happened then, a year before Ray's book came out. So I am not riding on anyone's "fame." It is my story. It is Tom Cabeen's story. It is Cris and Norma Sanchez' story.As far as training, there is no school to learn exit-counseling. You learn it as an apprentice, and that is hard to do, since the teacher has to want to train you and you have to be good with all kinds of people. That is the main training, along with a good knowledge of cults and their methods. For several years I spent about $100 a month on books to learn many related topics. Univ. training? No, just high school. I suppose it would help in taking classes on psychology, but it is not a field I wanted to do full-time, and I have been successful so far, so no worries to me.
Steven Hassan and I did host a training class for exit-counseling, and we even offer the videos of the class for those who wish to learn. Steve has a few degrees.
Thanks to all of you, and for the web suggestions. I will do some in the days ahead.
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Why I Do What I Do - Randy Watters
by Dogpatch inhi friends,.
i have been overwhelmed by the number of witnesses contacting me on the net lately.
traffic to the site has more than tripled since feb. 1999, and i am getting tons of email every day.
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Thanks tdogg,
When you take leave from a world that is but a small subculture of a large and multiculteral universe, you look at former hood systems a little different. For me, I guess, the goal is not to lose sight of the struggles of those in the hood. Most of us really want what is better in life.
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Why I Do What I Do - Randy Watters
by Dogpatch inhi friends,.
i have been overwhelmed by the number of witnesses contacting me on the net lately.
traffic to the site has more than tripled since feb. 1999, and i am getting tons of email every day.
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hi blue,
You're best bet would be to contact the people at:
http://www.csj.org/
AFFthey probably have a whole list. Also Steven Hassan's website:
http://www.freedomofmind.com/
