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  discussion w/ Barbara G. Harrison today

  by Dogpatch in

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  i just got off the phone with author barbara grizzuti harrison (visions of glory; italian days, etc.

  ) who is currently living in brooklyn and has serious health problems.

  she is now 67, but is very mentally alert and still has an excellent sense of humor!

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  Dogpatch

  sorry, the "brother" on Willowe street should have read "brothel." Two similar words. :-))
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  discussion w/ Barbara G. Harrison today

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just got off the phone with author barbara grizzuti harrison (visions of glory; italian days, etc.

  ) who is currently living in brooklyn and has serious health problems.

  she is now 67, but is very mentally alert and still has an excellent sense of humor!

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  Dogpatch

  Hi all,
  I just got off the phone with author Barbara Grizzuti Harrison (Visions of Glory; Italian Days, etc.) who is currently living in Brooklyn and has serious health problems. She is now 67, but is very mentally alert and still has an excellent sense of humor!

  Among the interesting things in our conversation was people we both might have known at Bethel (she was there 1953-1956, myself 1974 to 1980). She mentioned that there was a brother on Willow Street, and that the madams would often come every Sunday night to the Bethel Watchtower Study. It was rumored that Rutherford visited there, and in fact he was treated by a doctor for syphilis and gonorrhea. Some things just were not spoken about openly. :-))

  She was good friends with Hayden Covington, the Society's lawyer, among others that I cannot name for various reasons. She mentioned about the time that Harley Miller (Service Dept.) who "turned her in" for not having enough time to report, and she was told to attend a study session because of it. Harley and his wife were my next door neighbors in the 107 building. :-))

  Barbara mentions how Knorr taught that sex between a man and wife was okay once a night, but twice was far too immodest even for married couples! His wife, "Mike," was one of her closest friends there. Richard took his own life during a time of depression later on. (Richard was my overseer for several years in the Pressroom).

  We have agreed to do an informal interview by phone in the near future, so stay tuned to hear a rich and straightforward session from a truly amazing person.
  Randy Watters

  http://www.freeminds.org

  more at: http://www.freeminds.org/bethel/bethel.htm

  Barbara's stories are up at:

  http://www.exjws.net/visionsmain.htm
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  Any ex-bethelites here?

  by HenryP in

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  are there any former bethelites here that served in brooklyn, walkill or patterson?.

  if so, when did you serve?.

  i might know you if you served at brooklyn.

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  LOL about the Rolex. I don't have a problem with Max getting a Rolex. Hell, he was cheated out of being a GB member, at least he deserved something. :-))

  I have a problem with the writer's attitude who chastised Max indirectly. :-O

  A typical ploy at Bethel: get back at the codger you don't like by taking a habit or quirk of theirs, and separate the person from it, and condemn it or make fun of it. Example: Maxwell Friend used to love to feed the pigeons. Suiter hated pigeons, and at the breakfast table one day he said that "Those who are feeding the pigeons are NOT our friends." I almost choked on my eggs! Sounds to me like the real twerp was the one who wrote the article, not Max.
  Randy

  Net Soup!
  http://www.freeminds.org
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  Any ex-bethelites here?

  by HenryP in

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  are there any former bethelites here that served in brooklyn, walkill or patterson?.

  if so, when did you serve?.

  i might know you if you served at brooklyn.

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  Dogpatch

  I am, 1974-1980

  Former Bethelite Guest book:
  http://www.freeminds.org/bethel/guestlog.htm

  Bethelite stories:
  http://www.freeminds.org/bethel/exbethel.htm

  My story: http://www.freeminds.org/rwatters.htm
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  UN FAQ and other craziness

  by Dogpatch in

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  although not yet complete, the following page is a faq (frequently asked questions) about the watchtower/united nations scandal.

  note especially the two pages from the 1991 watchtower of june 1 where they condemn the churches for being involved with the u.n., yet there is no difference!

  then look at the line they left out when quoting robert muller!

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  Dogpatch

  MoeJoJoJo found what?
  Randy
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  UN FAQ and other craziness

  by Dogpatch in

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  although not yet complete, the following page is a faq (frequently asked questions) about the watchtower/united nations scandal.

  note especially the two pages from the 1991 watchtower of june 1 where they condemn the churches for being involved with the u.n., yet there is no difference!

  then look at the line they left out when quoting robert muller!

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  Ciro probably wrote the article! :-))
  It amazes me how hypocritical these guys are. Knorr used to visit Cathedrals with services going on inside all the time. Bethelites have been known to do amny things forbidden by the Society, and with a clean conscience. Why? Because they know that these old men are personally behind many of their policies, and can see through them and don't give a damn. When I was at Bethel, I could read a Kingdom Service and almost tell you which writer wrote it! :-))

  Thanks Hawk, that was great.
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  UN FAQ and other craziness

  by Dogpatch in

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  although not yet complete, the following page is a faq (frequently asked questions) about the watchtower/united nations scandal.

  note especially the two pages from the 1991 watchtower of june 1 where they condemn the churches for being involved with the u.n., yet there is no difference!

  then look at the line they left out when quoting robert muller!

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  Although not yet complete, the following page is a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) about the Watchtower/United Nations scandal. Note especially the two pages from the 1991 Watchtower of June 1 where they condemn the churches for being involved with the U.N., yet there is no difference! Then look at the line they left out when quoting Robert Muller! Thanks to several of you, Hawkaw, Kent and others for the research!
  Randy Watters
  http://www.randytv.com/secret/faq.htm

  SEE THIS 1991 article page:
  http://www.randytv.com/secret/drunkards.htm

  Net Soup!
  http://www.freeminds.org
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  16 yr old Canadian forced transfusions

  by Dogpatch in

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  judge rejects alta girl's request to stop transfusions due to religion.

  carol harrington .

  canadian press .

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  Judge rejects Alta girl's request to stop transfusions due to religion
  
  CAROL HARRINGTON
  Canadian Press

  Wednesday, February 20, 2002
  
  CALGARY (CP) - A 16-year-old girl with leukemia will have to continue with life-saving blood transfusions being forced upon her by the Alberta government, a judge ruled Wednesday. "This ruling will mean that she will continue to receive blood transfusions imposed on her against her will by means of restraint and sedation," the girl's lawyer, David Gnam, said outside court.

  "It will be devastating to her."

  The Jehovah's Witness girl doesn't want to receive another person's blood, even though she was diagnosed last week with leukemia.

  The province was given temporary custody of the girl late Monday night by a family court judge after successfully arguing the girl isn't mature enough to reject blood transfusions.

  Gnam was in court Wednesday asking that the blood transfusions be stopped until he appeals the ruling, but Court of Queen's Justice John Rooke refused to grant the girl a stay.

  "If she doesn't have the treatment she will suffer irreparable harm," Rooke said. "I acknowledge there is a harm to religious beliefs, but that has to be balanced with right to life."

  Her lawyer said he will appeal, arguing that the girl is a mature minor.

  "She's able to understand and make competent decisions," he said outside court.

  Rooke pointed out the girl received two blood transfusions Tuesday at the Alberta Children's Hospital in Calgary.

  "That harm has already taken place," he said.

  Her lawyer told court the harm to the girl's religious beliefs will be multiplied the more transfusions she has.

  "It's an assault," Gnam said. "If you are assaulted once, does that mean further assaults don't have consequences?"

  An appeal is set for April 25-26.

  The girl's mother and father have opposing opinions over whether their daughter should receive blood transfusions.

  Her father, who wants her to have them, was ecstatic with the court's decision.

  "I'm very happy that my daughter has a chance to live," he said outside court.

  The girl and her parents cannot be named because she is a temporary ward of the province.

  The court heard the initial blood transfusions have markedly improved the girl's red blood cell count, although nurses noted she cried after the procedure. Her father said the new blood made a marked difference in her condition.

  The belief about transfusions stems from Bible passages in which Israelites are instructed not to eat the blood of animals. Jehovah's Witnesses take that to mean they can't allow the blood of any animals - including humans - directly into their bodies.

  Mark Kastner, a spokesman for Alberta Children's Services, said the province stepped in because officials were told the girl would die within days if she didn't get blood transfusions.

  "We'll be working with the doctors with whatever her needs are, as long as we have guardianship," Kastner said.

  Hospital officials said they were unsuccessful in their worldwide search for other possible treatments for the girl's acute myeloid leukemia.

  According to doctors, the girl requires an amply supply of new blood for her chemotherapy treatments.

  Gnam works for the Jehovah's Witnesses head office in Georgetown, Ont.

  In 1995, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that the state has the right to intervene in a parent's decision to stop a blood transfusion for a child based on religious beliefs.

  Kastner said there have been three similar Alberta cases in the last two years, one in Edmonton and two in Calgary, in which the province stepped in to get temporary custody of children whose Jehovah's Witness parents wouldn't allow blood transfusions for religious reasons.

  "In all of those cases we were awarded temporary custody so that we could allow medical intervention to occur," he said.

  There are 110,000 Jehovah's Witnesses in Canada.

  © Copyright 2002 The Canadian Press
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  need questions for FAQ on United Nations

  by Dogpatch in

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  hi folks,.

  i am setting up a faq (frequently asked questions) about the united nations scandal with the watchtower.

  it will be posted at:.

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  Dogpatch

  Hi folks,
  I am setting up a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) about the United Nations scandal with the Watchtower. It will be posted at:
  http://www.randytv.com/secret/unitednations.htm

  What questions are Witnesses most likely to ask about this issue?
  What questions are as yet unresolved?

  If you have any questions to add, or have insight from a discussion with a Witness or the headquarters, please post so I can include a question and answer on this matter.
  thanks,
  Randy Watters
  [email protected]
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  My Father Died

  by teenyuck in

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  i just found out my father died today...he had a heart attack in the middle of the night.

  he was 63, one month shy of his 64th birthday.

  my 1/2 brother, age 19, who has been living with him trying to get off drugs, found him in his bed.

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  Hi Puffs,
  My heart goes with you. Such a relatively young age he was, too. I hope the family may draw a little closer together.
  yours,
  Randy