Posts by saki2fifty

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Why do JWs do these things

by curiouskev in

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whoever can answer a few qs for me i would be grateful!.

i would really like to know why wittnesses shun people at meetings or weddings or social gatherings.

i understand the need and desire for members of the church to help other wittnesses back into the fold after they have committed a serious sin!

saki2fifty

because the watch tower society tells them to. It's supposed to be an act of love on their part, to remind the sinner of what they are missing by not being able to enjoy fellowship with other witnesses, though I personally see very little loving in evidence

The above was mentioned, then later a few quotes from the bible was pasted. I dont see the problem. Regardless of how the WTS translates or applies this among their people, and regardless of if they see a person as someone not even eating with...

...how are they wrong for this?

If I was told to wear purple shoes by God... I wont question it.

------ <saki> I just saw the 2 links WhereamI provided... so I'm reading them now.

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How many here have left the org because of this board?

by mrsjones5 in

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i ask this question because saki said this in another topic:and i would assume that a lot of people on this board left due to this board alone "proving" the lies of the wts.

so, it this true or false?

or is this mostly true or mostly false?

saki2fifty

Nope, haven't left left, still take my wife and kids to the meetings, still wear the white shortsleeved shirt with the typical and matching black pleated slacks, combing my hair to the side with some vaseline, displaying a never-ending and happy smile full of white, bright teeth in spite of knowing that someone wants to slap it right off my face... and just enjoying knowing that im irritating your all by knocking on your doors!

However, I have realized that my beliefs (by way of this forum/board) of my future may not be as bright as I had hoped, and enjoying life of earth may not happen. Instead, there is a good possibility that I could be living a lie, and all those wondering beliefs that I had of peace on earth may be false.

Instead, I could live a great and happy life, grow old, die... and thats it. Now thats a future.

(and no, im not a hardcore JW, but rather your typical, ignorant, follower..)

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Sophistry LessonsJW Baptismal Prerequisites

by AuldSoul in

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in this thread we will examine chapter 18 of the book what does the bible really teach?, entitled baptism and your relationship with god.. .

is there any scripture provided to support the statement?

saki2fifty

I'm bustin' out my material tonight... even though its a Friday, and I have 3 kids running around. I'm sending them outside, and i'm gonna take a chair and look it up...

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The real impact of "apostate" sites

by dozy in

in a recent discussion with a couple of district overseers and other heavies , the topic of the internet and apostate sites came up.

i asked what impact these were making , numerically , among jws.

the prevailing view was that , numerically , there was negligible impact.

saki2fifty

What category did you fall under? Ex or Pro? Or bystander?

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The real impact of "apostate" sites

by dozy in

in a recent discussion with a couple of district overseers and other heavies , the topic of the internet and apostate sites came up.

i asked what impact these were making , numerically , among jws.

the prevailing view was that , numerically , there was negligible impact.

saki2fifty

Shadow: sak, I'm a JW. What topics are you looking for the JW side on?

I'm not "looking" for anything in particular. But, am now curious about:

AuldSoul: However, nothing on their Web site gives the Scriptures that support their doctrine on pre-baptismal requirements. So, I need some enterprising JW to either provide the Scriptures here or design a Web site that answers the question and give me a link to it.

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The real impact of "apostate" sites

by dozy in

in a recent discussion with a couple of district overseers and other heavies , the topic of the internet and apostate sites came up.

i asked what impact these were making , numerically , among jws.

the prevailing view was that , numerically , there was negligible impact.

saki2fifty

AuldSole: It is worded in the KM as a caution, but many JWs have been instructed by their local body of elders to remove their pro-JW sites. Including the owner of this forum, who was originally pro-JW and who was disassociated for leaving this forum up.

If its worded in the KM as a caution, and then many elders are relaying this in a different way, then I cant (<- correction) see how it would be...

AuldSole: I believe it is deceitful to imply that it is only a recommendation and then enforce it as a Christian requirement. Others may disagree.

... deceitful.

"disassociated for leaving this forum up" Had no idea my comments started a new thread. Sorry MrsJones...

(formatting keeps getting messed up... wonder why)

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The real impact of "apostate" sites

by dozy in

in a recent discussion with a couple of district overseers and other heavies , the topic of the internet and apostate sites came up.

i asked what impact these were making , numerically , among jws.

the prevailing view was that , numerically , there was negligible impact.

saki2fifty

JW Literature quoted above: "There is no need ..."

Which is not "we're not supposed to...". Only being cautious, which I take as good advice.

saki2fifty: On thing that I wish though, is that there were more Pro-JW's sites

Correction: Although wrong in JW eyes, wish there were more JW's to debate arguments on this board... pretty much one sided.

AuldSould : sir82, you are currently an elder. Although I realize you are only nominally a JW, can you support the teaching on pre-baptsimal requirements Scripturally? Do you believe any Jehovah's Witness can?

I cant, but wish someone would at least try to answer you... cause I know you've been waiting for an answer on this!

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The real impact of "apostate" sites

by dozy in

in a recent discussion with a couple of district overseers and other heavies , the topic of the internet and apostate sites came up.

i asked what impact these were making , numerically , among jws.

the prevailing view was that , numerically , there was negligible impact.

saki2fifty

www.watchtower.org

Yeah, thanks.

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The real impact of "apostate" sites

by dozy in

in a recent discussion with a couple of district overseers and other heavies , the topic of the internet and apostate sites came up.

i asked what impact these were making , numerically , among jws.

the prevailing view was that , numerically , there was negligible impact.

saki2fifty

Re: The real impact of "apostate" sites

I personally can attest to the internet / apostate sites having an affect on my beliefs. I forced myself to stop reading this crap this past Monday, but found myself still reading. "Crap"? Well, maybe... maybe not. Its crap in the sense that I dont want it to be true...

Dozy said:
(3) Frankly , most JWs are almost completely disinterested in doctrine and the history of the WTS , which most "apostate" sites focus on. For them , it is a way of life and such matters are only of a vague academic interest and any objections are easily explained away.

Yep, completely and utterly disinterested.... at first I guess. But, I now find myself looking up more of the history of the society, its doctrines and so on... all of which I am totally clueless on. Its not something that I want to hear, not something that you all wanted to hear at one time.

As far as the internet itself, i've always been a firm believer that its the breeding ground for all things bad... is feeding people with filth and crime and embedding new thoughts of things immoral and disgust... and is fueling things such as child porn, rape, incest, swinging, hatred, murder, adultery, etc... all to a great degree. And of course, and apparently, its fueling people to question their faith and beliefs as well.

On thing that I wish though, is that there were more Pro-JW's sites. Why? Because I want to hear both sides of the argument.. even though your side is very convincing. So where's that Thirdwitness... or you may know him better as Thirwitless.

hopefully I didn't get too off topic.

How many of you found out about Ray Franz and Crisis through this medium?

Nope, no idea. Is this what your talking about? : http://www.freeminds.org/sales/most_burned.htm

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Daniel's 3 year training and the 2nd year of Nebuchadnezzar.

by thirdwitness in

the previous 607 thread was locked down where the 587 defenders could not overcome the clear reasoning of the bible about the 40 year desolation of egypt.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/117647/1.ashx

but before it was locked down norm brought up a lot of points.

saki2fifty

Alanf: Would you like examples?

No thanks. I've been following the threads quietly, so I can see whats going on.