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  A bit reluctant

  by saki2fifty in

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  i'm a bit reluctant in writing this post, for i dont feel i should be here.

  even a bit nervous... .

  i've never officially dedicated myself to jehovah, but i was brought up in the truth, very strong, and at times when getting older, there were lulls in my attendance... yet to this day i still attend.

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  hummingbird92575

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  A bit reluctant

  by saki2fifty in

  1. jw
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  i'm a bit reluctant in writing this post, for i dont feel i should be here.

  even a bit nervous... .

  i've never officially dedicated myself to jehovah, but i was brought up in the truth, very strong, and at times when getting older, there were lulls in my attendance... yet to this day i still attend.

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  hummingbird92575

  Dear Hummingbird, I am glad you were not scared off. I had hoped though that you would read my posts to you. I am unsure if you did since you have not replied to me. You just used the reasoning of having questions with the wrong tone. I hate to tell you but my husband and I have been waiting for 7 months for the elders to return with any kind of information to help explain our questions with 607. In our meeting I was pleading with them to help us. NOTHING!! If you doubt wether my tone was proper, well, we recorded the meeting in case we were ever accused of having a bad attitude. It is not the tone but it is the fact that you are questioning those taking the lead. You cannot question the explanations in the publications. I feared this from the very begining. I knew I would be labeled if anyone knew I was questioning things. It ended up getting out. Anyhow, you should know that all the care and concern you are recieving when you miss meetings is wonderful. But I worry that once you are baptised, in time, it will change. We have not been to a meeting in a year and a half, with the exceptions of the assemblys. The last one we attended was last fall. I can count on one hand the people who called out of concern. Two of which were my closest friends. We were not slackers, we were VERY active, husband was a MS, and I pioneered every year. Always studied, always answered, had lots of RVS, and even studies, etc.. But I could have died, and no one would have been the wiser. I hope you will never experience the feeling of abandonment, and the abuse of name calling, such a "apostate". I hope you reply to my last couple of posts. I am interested as to how you feel about them. Sincerely, Lady Liberty Hello Lady...I am glad that I can actually call you that. You are one of the very few that have tried to be respectful. Man, I am so sorry that you have had so much trouble with the brothers in your area. Is there another congregation you can talk to? Where I live, there are about 10, so I am pretty fortunate that if, for some strange reason, I would not get an answer that satisfied my query, I could go somewhere else. I am so glad that you have hung onto your beliefs. It is true to some extent, at least in my own heart, that your religion is deep down in your heart and that only Jehovah can know your real intentions. Please do not give up. I know that sometimes in this world it seems like some things will never work out, but with faith, prayer and perserverance, all things are possible. I am really glad to hear about your daughter having been exposed to the truth. My kids are 4, 7 and 10. How old is she? If you don't want to tell me, I will understand. I haven't exactly looked too much like the "good guy" in this thread LOL I just thought that Saki should have a little moral support since so many were trying to pull him away from the faith that he obviously had. I honestly didn't know that this site wasn't for practicing JW's. I really wish I had never signed up. I truly thought that I would be able to find some friends who I could talk to casually about scriptures and so forth. When I was talking about peoples' tones, I was only referring to that guy who I was responding to. I am so sorry if you thought I meant you as well. I hope I didn't upset you in that way. I am usually a very mild person and have tried to be respectful in my responses. Anyways, I feel so bad about your situation, and I wish I was closer to you so we could go to the brothers together. Witnesses are supposed to stick together and it hurts to know that someone may have been discouraged out of the truth...but apparently, as evidenced in this site, this happens more often than most JW's think. The elders at your congregation should have been there to set your conscience straight so you could at least feel comfortable with their answer about 607. I am confident about the years and estimates and all, but I know that some people need more information, and that is absolutely your right. Have you tried writing to the Society? I mean, maybe someone could call you or write back. I have never had this type of hinderance, so I am not sure what to do in this situation. If you would like, I could talk to an older sister at my congregation to gather some evidence about it...If not, That's fine as well. We have to do what is best for ourselves, and no one should be between that relationship of your with Jehovah, except for Jesus. That is why I have been so frustrated on this thread because I have had people calling me stupid because I don't want to give up my membership in the congregation...*shakes head* I am really thankful that you gave me the respect you have. I truly appreciate it. Remember that you are loved. Jehovah knows your heart condition and loves us all as his children and when we hurt, he hurts. As one VERY wise brother once told me, "We are all on the same road, but are on different parts of our journeys." I hope that, no matter what, you continue on yours. I would love to hear back from you when you have time. Please message me if you would like. I will keep you in my prayers. And, no...I DO NOT think you are apostate. There is a HUGE difference between what you have been through and in someone being a willful slanderer against Jehovah. There is a difference between seeking answers respectfully and the way I have been treated on this board.Thank you so much for wonderful thoughts. Sincerely, C.
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  A bit reluctant

  by saki2fifty in

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  i'm a bit reluctant in writing this post, for i dont feel i should be here.

  even a bit nervous... .

  i've never officially dedicated myself to jehovah, but i was brought up in the truth, very strong, and at times when getting older, there were lulls in my attendance... yet to this day i still attend.

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  hummingbird92575

  That's the beauty of it. I don't have to prove anything. The bible does it for me. But here it goes...

  Matthew 24:45

  "Who really is the faithful and descreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?"

  Mt 24:42 sets up the series of scriptures that are metaphors, the "domestics" being the great crowd, the faithful and descreet slave being the WTS and some of the annointed, and the master being Jehovah...Wait, don't you know this already?
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  A bit reluctant

  by saki2fifty in

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  i'm a bit reluctant in writing this post, for i dont feel i should be here.

  even a bit nervous... .

  i've never officially dedicated myself to jehovah, but i was brought up in the truth, very strong, and at times when getting older, there were lulls in my attendance... yet to this day i still attend.

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  hummingbird92575

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  Hi Ringo,

  What mormon? I must have missed this one.

  Well, I happen to have quite a bit of experience in this matter, as my father is Mormon and is an elder in his faith. He and I had our back and forth about scriptures, neither wavering a bit, so I think we called it a draw and have had a wonderful relationship ever since. He was not at all happy about my being babtized, but he is accepting that I am an adult and capable of making an educated decision.

  As far as still being here, I am glad you noticed LOL But seriously, I am here because I wanted to answer everyone...No more, no less. Even those who have no respect for me as a human being.

  If I was the one who had been here for a while and you were a newbie and you said you were leaving because you felt like you were being disrespected, I would try to convince you to stay. But I guess that not everyone has a sympathetic and kind quality about them. Instead, you just typed *wave*...I wish that there was a way that I could understand where y'all lost your respect for others.
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  A bit reluctant

  by saki2fifty in

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  i'm a bit reluctant in writing this post, for i dont feel i should be here.

  even a bit nervous... .

  i've never officially dedicated myself to jehovah, but i was brought up in the truth, very strong, and at times when getting older, there were lulls in my attendance... yet to this day i still attend.

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  hummingbird92575

  "DO NOT LEAN UPON YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING. This is an ORDER."

  If the chilling words of this Watchtower apologist dont shake you out of this mind control, I fear nothing will. Think of the implications of the "advice" this dimwit is giving you. She is telling you: NOT TO USE YOUR MIND. NOT TO THINK, NOT TO REASON, TO SHUT OFF YOUR BRAIN.

  Is this how a psychologically mature and healthy human being should function? As an automaton controlled by a multi-million dollar publishing corporation in brooklyn? Would you willingly choose ignorance? Stop. Think for a moment about the implications of her words. Is this the kind of human being you wish to be?

  Your brain has been conditioned to reject logical arguments, and to ignore the red flags raised by your intellect. You are in the throes of cognitive dissonance. Read the information on www.freeminds.org These are not the words of apostates, these are the words of your very own watchtower corporation, demonstrating their history of lies, deceit and the ruination of human lives.

  Humming-twit: enjoy your baptism and mental servitude. Bow down before the one you serve. You're going to get what you deserve.

  Kid-A,

  I don't know what you are trying to pull, but it isn't going to work. Trying to twist and contort and insult people who are simply trying to do a greater good...for a Person greater than yourself (Namely, Jehovah)...is a travesty. I am a psychologically mature and healthy human being and I can say that there has been nothing in my life or in the world that has ever made more sense than Jehovah and His Divine Will.

  There is nothing wrong with being submissive to God...our creator. I am happy to serve the "Happy God"...the God who IS LOVE...And I will bow down to him forever. What sort of answer were you expecting me to reply?

  All the names in the world aren't going to change the way I feel. And since I am in a logical field, which I do not feel comfortable divulging to you, I don't agree at all with your accusation that my brain has been conditioned to reject logical arguments.

  On the contrary, I have always been encouraged to ask questions. But you have to remember that it isn't that you're asking questions, but HOW you're asking them. Much like a teenager rebels against a parent, this is what your tone is doing. If a teen asks, "Mom, have you seen my favorite sweater?" that is permissable...the tone and language is respectful. But if that same teen accuses, "Mom! What did you do with my sweater?!?" There is a HUGE difference! And that is true in every situation.

  And when I posted that scripture, I had no idea you would twist it so far out of context that you would have the audacity to use it against my own character. I have not used any of the peoples' own words who have posted on this thread against them. That shows just how little respect you have for others.

  The scripture said, "Do not lean upon your own understanding." That means that we are not to draw conclusions about our own opinions on some situation. It could be anything from what movies to rent (as Saki pointed out) to why women wear dresses in service to why we shouldn't celebrate holidays to the blood issue. From the small to the huge in context, we should look to Jehovah for guidance. And he appointed the Faithful and Descreet Slave to convey His Righteous messages to us. Why is that so hard to accept? Is it easier (or more thrilling) to say that there is a conspiracy afoot and that we are all slaves to it? Apparently, you think so.

  But is it REALLY what you think that is the IMPORTANT issue? Or is it the will of your Creator that is important? Is it easier to say to me that you respect my feelings and appreciate that I have shared them, or is it easier to insult my integrity and call me names? I guess you have made that decision already. Although I have not disrespected you, and have only said how I feel, you, adversely, have tried to humilate me. It won't work, and your form of persecution has only further convinced me that I am doing the right thing.

  So, thank you very much.

  Sincerely,

  C.
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  A bit reluctant

  by saki2fifty in

  1. jw
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  i'm a bit reluctant in writing this post, for i dont feel i should be here.

  even a bit nervous... .

  i've never officially dedicated myself to jehovah, but i was brought up in the truth, very strong, and at times when getting older, there were lulls in my attendance... yet to this day i still attend.

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  hummingbird92575

  Hummingbird,

  You are not talking to a bunch of ignorant people here. We've been where you are. You are just hiding the real truth from yourself, even though I know you can see it. You just won't accept it.

  Warlock

  Warlock,

  If I came across in a condescending way, I didn't mean to. It is hard to truly convey your intentions online sometimes.

  I am a little on the defensive though because I came here seeking friends in the truth and I landed right in the middle of a site that caters those who no longer believe in it. That was disheartening.

  I don't think that any of you all are ignorant, nor would I say I thought you were even if I DID think you were. We are all human beings and, as such, deserve basic human rights. I would respect you as much as you respect me.

  Having said that, I don't think that just because I haven't disassociated myself from JW's that I am hiding anything from myself. In fact, I have never felt so empowered and so in control of my own destiny in my whole life! Not to mention the lives of my kids. I don't see anything that I need to accept. The only reason I am responding to this board is out of respect for your opinions. But you know what they say about opinions...

  Just as I have mine. I just happen to feel that mine is more than my own...It is Jehovah's, and no one's opinion is more important than His. NO ONE'S...And I am passionate about that. Just because I belong to an organization you seemingly loathe doesn't make me wrong. I know in my HEART that I am doing the right thing. I don't have to conform to your views to try to fit in or be like you or whatever. Popularity means nothing to me.

  I love Jehovah and I will continue to do His will until I die. If some of the WTS are passing on incorrect information, He will deal with them. I will do my best to follow the scriptures and attend meetings and get babtized, just as the bible tells us to. That is my responsibility as a true Christian, and no amount of supposed "information" from this board will convince me otherwise. My spirituality is MY responsibility. Not yours. What you fail to do is entirely up to you. Especially when it is willful rebellion against Jehovah's commands. If you know better, you should do better.
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  A bit reluctant

  by saki2fifty in

  1. jw
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  i'm a bit reluctant in writing this post, for i dont feel i should be here.

  even a bit nervous... .

  i've never officially dedicated myself to jehovah, but i was brought up in the truth, very strong, and at times when getting older, there were lulls in my attendance... yet to this day i still attend.

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  hummingbird92575

  Hi Worldly,

  I must belong to wakko congregation, because they ACTUALLY care about the other members...Go figure? There is good and bad in every congregation, it's true...There is good and bad throughout the world...We are only imperfect humans. But when I miss meetings due to my kids being sick or whatever, I get several calls either that evening or the day before.

  The way it is SUPPOSED to work is that when members of a congregation seemingly fall away from meetings, elders are supposed to go to their homes to see if there is anything that can be done to reiterate how vitally important meetings are and also to see if there is anything the congregation can do to help...if there is an illness in the family, financial crunch, whatever...If that didn't happen when you fell away, I am very saddened by this. All I can offer is that the members of a congregation, whether overseer, elder, babtized, or otherwise, are only human.

  Aside from that, I feel it should be the individual't responsibility, and not the congregation's, for his or her own spirituality. Even if I feel like members of a congregation don't care about me, I know that Jehovah and His son do...That's all that matters to me. And when I look into my kids' eyes, I know I am doing the right thing. These are the last days, and we will all face tribulation...even within the congregations. Don't let that discourage you!

  Know that you are blessed for your efforts. HE knows what you are going through and he sees your intentions. That is what I think about. Not whether I am missed or not at the meetings.
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  A bit reluctant

  by saki2fifty in

  1. jw
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  i'm a bit reluctant in writing this post, for i dont feel i should be here.

  even a bit nervous... .

  i've never officially dedicated myself to jehovah, but i was brought up in the truth, very strong, and at times when getting older, there were lulls in my attendance... yet to this day i still attend.

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  hummingbird92575

  Hi Again Saki...Okay, so I couldn't stop reading LOL

  Here is some SCRIPTURE, that none of these arguers have bothered to offer that can discredit the Organization...

  I am sure you all know this one:

  Pr 3:5-7

  5 Trust in Jehovah with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding.

  DO NOT LEAN UPON YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING. This is an ORDER. Satan did the same thing to Eve in the garden of Eden that you guys are doing to him right now. Little mindless jabs...whispers..."Why not do some research?" & "What's wrong with the world?" and such.

  6 In all your ways take notice of him, and he himself will make your paths straight.

  Saki, pick up your bible and pray. Jehovah will put you back on the right path if you have UNQUESTIONING faith in HIM! These people ARE NOT HIM. Who are they to tell you to turn away from the True God?

  7 Do not become wise in your own eyes. Fear Jehovah and turn away from bad.

  TURN AWAY FROM BAD...I would go no farther. I hope well for you, Saki. Don't give up on accurate knowledge. This place seems to be a breeding ground for those who have turned away from the TRUE RELIGION.

  Please reconsider your thoughts about Jehovah (to everyone else).

  There is no place in the earthly paradise for apostacy.

  I pray that you will all someday rethink your conversions. I hope well for you all.
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  A bit reluctant

  by saki2fifty in

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  i'm a bit reluctant in writing this post, for i dont feel i should be here.

  even a bit nervous... .

  i've never officially dedicated myself to jehovah, but i was brought up in the truth, very strong, and at times when getting older, there were lulls in my attendance... yet to this day i still attend.

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  hummingbird92575

  Hi Saki,

  I have just joined this site and am about to hi-tail it out of here. I was raised JW off and on because of my mom's personal problems, but I am SOOOOO happy to be heading down the path of babtism in October at the next local assembly. I thought when I signed on for this site that I might be able to make some friends who are in about the same position spiritually as I am, but all I have seen thus far is apostacy against Jehovah's righteous organization. If these people are disfellowshipped or have separated themselves from the TRUTH, then why must they come here to try to talk to those who are faithful?

  I can tell you why and it is easy to see...especially after reading their posts. Satan is one tricky liar. He will use whatever tactic he can to pull us away from the truth. And this site is seemingly just one more avenue to do just that. It is really sorrowful that these people have lost their faith in Jehovah because of some "thing", whatever that may be, discouraging them. Every person in the world is a HUMAN...capable of making mistakes. JW's are no exception. So if there are ones that these people say discouraged them away from the TRUTH, then those people who did the discouraging are blood-guilty. They will be dealt with in Jehovah's due time.

  As for you and I as new members of this site, I say...Let's get out while we still can. I certainly intend to after this post. Just remember that you are not alone out there and that Jehovah will bless your efforts. HIS love is what keeps me going in this world that is screeching to a halt. Every day bible prophecies are being fulfilled and anyone that doesn't see that is blind. You must believe that if you are still in the truth amidst even your own father's protests. I am sure Jehovah is very proud of you for remaining faithful and standing by your wife and, above all else, for standing by Him.

  I am sorry...I am not usually this forward, but I think that it is my duty to defend Jehovah's principles in the face of adversity. Some of the links offered in this site are appalling when you look at the icon on the upper left of your screen and read that this is supposed to read "Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum..." And NOT Apostacy Forum of EX-JW's...

  I hope that you find the path to babtism. Lean on Jehovah and you will find the courage to come out of your shell...Remember that you are doing the GOOD work of the TRUE God's Kingdom. You are obeying HIS command to teach others what you know to be the TRUTH...Don't let Satan stand in the way of that, dear Brother.
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  JW says Jehovah's People aren't Brainwashed

  by Honesty in

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  well from what i understand a cult is something that expects you to follow some man.

  you must give up your individual thought processes and just go with what you are told to think.

  this way you are released from individual responsibility.

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  hummingbird92575

  Thanks for your post...

  What's up with some of the replies though? Man, I may be new here, but I thought that this site was for faithful people in the Truth...Not those who have forsaken it. What's going on around here?