I also think that is why the WT is now advising the congregation to treat those who don't attend meetings or are inactive like a DF'd person, no contact. Faders are increasing and they know it and the WT is trying to stay in control with fear and intimidation, in the name of love of course.
Posts by Dagney
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17Achieving Reinstatement and then immediately fading
by Tylinbrando inover the past 8 months or so three people i have known since childhood have accomplished a goal of reinstatement back into their congregations after many years of being disfellowshipped primarily so that they could gain their jw family members back and do away with the condemnation of onlookers judging those family members and the contact they have had during those years of being disfellowshipped.. all of these newly reinstated ones immediately began a proper fade.
no meetings, no service, nada.. is this happening everywhere and regularly?.
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I have just been disinvited to my brother's wedding - Thanks AAWA!
by Sic Semper Tyrannis ini am an inactive jw.
i havent been on this forum for a few months and have been lurking in others.
i have met a few people in real life and online, both on this forum and on others.
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Dagney
then it's the FB friends who deserve the blame
You know what? I totally agree. But to date, AAWA has approved of the adds, calling them "members", and calling the action of adding, "over-enthusiastic" during the "blush" of the start up. We understand all that. But AAWA refused to make it right, in the very least to notify all the members, (to my knowledge), after the fact. Or just pull down the page, say what happened, and "Here's our new page!! Let's get back to work!"
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I have just been disinvited to my brother's wedding - Thanks AAWA!
by Sic Semper Tyrannis ini am an inactive jw.
i havent been on this forum for a few months and have been lurking in others.
i have met a few people in real life and online, both on this forum and on others.
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Dagney
Yes, slim, there was that. And I believe he also said that because of that there were a mix of people now in the group including some not so desirable. I don't have time to look up exactly what he said, Juan Viejo2.
So you are right, which is it. I felt Juan tried to be honest. Some other statements on the site are less so.
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I have just been disinvited to my brother's wedding - Thanks AAWA!
by Sic Semper Tyrannis ini am an inactive jw.
i havent been on this forum for a few months and have been lurking in others.
i have met a few people in real life and online, both on this forum and on others.
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Dagney
The issue as I see it, and has been discussed, is even though the group was secret, it was showing up in the feeds, visible to whomever depending on how our FB pages are set up.
Even though I shouldn't have to explain it, I choose what I want my friends to see, including, for one, my former bible study who has a pinky toe in. I care about what she sees. I want her to be curious and investigate discussions on the sites I joined.
Again, the respect among the exJW community, and the "like" groups I was in was fine up until AAWA. I wonder now if the people that added the names were now directed to do so.
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The Advocates for Awareness of Watchtower Abuses (AAWA) [WARNING]
by Simon inuncensored discussions and information for anyone interested in the advocates for awareness of watchtower abuses or 'aawa' http://aawa.co/ (previously known as "the association of anti-watchtower activists http://jwactivists.org/) and how it's handled and responded to privacy issues and put people at risk:.
aawa is here!!
(the association of anti-watchtower activists)an invitation to a new effort- aawawhy when i logged onto aawa did it go to facebook ?in regards to aawaaawa - every generation needs a new revolution - thomas jeffersonnotice how the introduction of the aawa has brought out the loonies lately?will aawa become another cult?
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Dagney
@ Ty: Wow. Interesting.
I was more concerned that it was clear on this board that "invite" was not what happened.
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The Advocates for Awareness of Watchtower Abuses (AAWA) [WARNING]
by Simon inuncensored discussions and information for anyone interested in the advocates for awareness of watchtower abuses or 'aawa' http://aawa.co/ (previously known as "the association of anti-watchtower activists http://jwactivists.org/) and how it's handled and responded to privacy issues and put people at risk:.
aawa is here!!
(the association of anti-watchtower activists)an invitation to a new effort- aawawhy when i logged onto aawa did it go to facebook ?in regards to aawaaawa - every generation needs a new revolution - thomas jeffersonnotice how the introduction of the aawa has brought out the loonies lately?will aawa become another cult?
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Dagney
Jgnat, I know, thank you, I appreciate it. However I will venture to speak for a greater portion of my FB friends, we found each other through friends and friends of friends, originating from JWN. We for the most part use the site socially, and naive to the workings of FB, most just try to keep up with security announcements. I did not know this type of adding could be done because never in a million years would I do that to my friends without their knowledge.
"Invite" is FB's term for add.
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The Advocates for Awareness of Watchtower Abuses (AAWA) [WARNING]
by Simon inuncensored discussions and information for anyone interested in the advocates for awareness of watchtower abuses or 'aawa' http://aawa.co/ (previously known as "the association of anti-watchtower activists http://jwactivists.org/) and how it's handled and responded to privacy issues and put people at risk:.
aawa is here!!
(the association of anti-watchtower activists)an invitation to a new effort- aawawhy when i logged onto aawa did it go to facebook ?in regards to aawaaawa - every generation needs a new revolution - thomas jeffersonnotice how the introduction of the aawa has brought out the loonies lately?will aawa become another cult?
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Dagney
Jgnat, with all due respect, you use the word "invite" like we had a choice before being added. To be clear, the names were added to the group without notification or invitation.
i love my whole experience with the exJW community. It's been all good. But I am sour on the ethics of AAWA.
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AAWA has caused divisions and has lost the opportunity to be effective
by NoRegrets inhere's the thing,.
the whole aawa idea had noble ideas behind it, but the ship has sailed and the movement needs to go back to the drawing board.
period.
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Dagney
Oh, just noticed Simons thread. My thoughts exactly.
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AAWA has caused divisions and has lost the opportunity to be effective
by NoRegrets inhere's the thing,.
the whole aawa idea had noble ideas behind it, but the ship has sailed and the movement needs to go back to the drawing board.
period.
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Dagney
Simon, I was hoping the AAWA subject wouldn't be locked and buried for the following reason. Again, I received a second email from another exJW who is visible on FB. She noticed more activity popping up from familiar names, but didn't think about it much until a few days ago. She came to JWN to see what was going on and found out about the mass add of names to AAWA, and sure enough, she was one of them. She asked to be removed.
People come here to JWN to find info. Most of the times there are varying opinions, sometimes flat out wars. But at least you can usually find out what happened and based on the discussion, pro and con, make a personal informed decision.
I could be wrong, but it sounds like there may be upward of 1000 people on the AAWA site that may not even know they have been added if AAWA did not notify them. Funny to call them members when they didn't even join. Like saying you won the election by the votes you added to put you over the top.
I have good friends on AAWA, some I've known for 30+ years and love them all dearly. I say to them, "go crazy, knock em dead, good luck, take 'em out... "
But this adding members without notifying, then blaming them for being in a like group is disrespectful and intrusive. Claiming the number as members is dishonest.
Edited to add: Thank you Simon and Ang for providing JWN, and the hard work you do to maintain it. And I appreciate your input all along on this.
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Does anyone have experience with de-programming a bible student
by His Excellency ini have recently converted a bible student and he had just started out as an unpublisher publisher.
however since knowing ttatt i have been looking for a subtle means to deconvert him without any problem coming out of it.. this man had grown to have a strong fondness for the organisation and he is also in the process of indoctrinating his other two children, as his bible study conductor, he put so much trust in me and believes everything i say.. i am sure i can succeed in exposing the watchtower?, but has anyone tried it ?, any suggestion will be appreciated.
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Dagney
I was successful in turning one who is now inactive.
Do you know his soft spots? Children, blood issue, world conditions? For example: Children, no higher education, no outside activities, child baptism encouraged and poor retention rate as a result due to kids not making their own informed decision. Reversals in blood..."are you willing to risk the life of your child if a safe blood transfusion could save them? (refer to Boston/Newtown). World conditions getting worse? Not really...
Good luck!