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  Hello, this is my first post

  by noralee in

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  hello, this is my first post, i would like to introduce myself and say thank you to every one on this forum, you have been a lifeline to me these last few years.. i had been a jw for 30 years when i walked away a few years ago disgusted by the treatment victims of child abuse, domestic abuse and rape receive from the wtbts.. at first i thought it was a local problem, elders personal opinions, the way they handled the situations, imperfect men etc., until i checked out jehovahs witnesses and child abuse/domestic abuse online.

  that's when i realized they had the same modus operandi worldwide.

  that led me here, tbuo this forum, and then to crisis of conscience, jw facts, watchtower documents, jw survey, old watchtower literature and cd s, reading a couple of steve hassans books, and more recently exiting the jw cult.. the feelings of shock, betrayal, anger at the wtbts, angry with myself for being so gullible, depression, reflection, loneliness, have taken their toll.

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  Dagney

  Welcome noralee! Wonderful to have you here.
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  Have we become what we despise so much?

  by Tenacious in

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  2. beliefs

  the majority of members who tend to join this forum have been hurt possibly even traumatized sometimes to the point of wanting to end their lives.

  upon joining the forum, new members are welcomed with open arms, welcome messages start pouring in, "likes" are freely given, a false sense of security is promoted where a member is free to speak his mind without having to worry about the wt gestapo.

  again, similar to how potential converts are welcomed and "love bombed" upon entering a kh for the first time.

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  Dagney

  The way I see things is, if the Bible is true, it will stand up to close scrutiny. The same with evolution.

  A talking snake?
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  Elder continues serving as elder after his daughter got disfellowshipped!

  by hardtobeme in

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  2. scandals

  this is what is happening in a spanish congregation in our area.

  this happened 3 weeks ago.

  this brother conducted the school and after the school was over, another elder gave the announcement: "( name of the person) is not longer a jehovah's witness".

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  Dagney

  This is a corporation. They will do whatever is in the best interest of the corporation including the rules they choose to enforce or not.

  Understanding that should help you realize that what goes on in another man's family, or if a guy chooses to work the WT system in his and his family's best interest, or if the WT changes a ruling...not of this has any bearing on your life. It should not matter to you.

  Move forward.
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  If YOU had to make the decision, would you respect a JW relatives wish to refuse a blood transfusion?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  a few years after i quit the meetings my mum needed her medical directive signed and witnessed and she asked if i'd do it.

  i was surprised to say the least!.

  i think she was just angling to include me and maybe find some lever to get me involved again.

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  Dagney

  What if it was a 21 year old sibling who has been stabbed but is otherwise is in excellent health?
  Forget arguing about technicalities of the law. Just as a thought experiment imagine you are in a situation where you have the final say. Your sibling is a devout JW. They are unconscious. They will definitely die without blood and definitely live with it. It is your decision alone.
  What is your call?

  I probably would let them have the blood and deal with the consequences.

  And cofty, real life is full of "special conditions" that should be considered in making life altering decisions.
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  Have we become what we despise so much?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the majority of members who tend to join this forum have been hurt possibly even traumatized sometimes to the point of wanting to end their lives.

  upon joining the forum, new members are welcomed with open arms, welcome messages start pouring in, "likes" are freely given, a false sense of security is promoted where a member is free to speak his mind without having to worry about the wt gestapo.

  again, similar to how potential converts are welcomed and "love bombed" upon entering a kh for the first time.

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  Dagney

  The thing about this place, JWN, is you can choose to grow (a pair) and learn from the discussions, or not.

  This board was full of salty characters when I started lurking...and the discussions were intimidating and brimming with passion for the issues discussed. But OMG, they were real, and and you could not look away. They helped immensely to open my mind to things I had not even thought about coming from a cult.

  And the empathy and compassion is still 100% here because we've all been there...leaving, dealing with family, separation, frustration...

  Good luck if you think discussion about butterflies and unicorns is what will help. Trust me, there have been a dozen "nice" boards in the last 15 or so years, with really nice, kind people. It doesn't seem to last...maybe because it's not as vibrant and interesting. And believe me, they suffer disruption and melt downs like any board...it's the nature of the internet.

  But I don't think you are really concerned with the welfare of the ex and soon to be exJW community...amiright!!
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  If YOU had to make the decision, would you respect a JW relatives wish to refuse a blood transfusion?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  a few years after i quit the meetings my mum needed her medical directive signed and witnessed and she asked if i'd do it.

  i was surprised to say the least!.

  i think she was just angling to include me and maybe find some lever to get me involved again.

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  Dagney

  cofty: Being alive and distressed is preferable to being dead.

  I agree, if you were young enough to have years of life ahead of you. And after a discussion with the person they still picked me as the decision maker, I believe in what Simon said, it would be a round about way of getting the blood without it being their decision.

  In the case of my elderly parent, since deceased at 98, it would be devastating and traumatic for her. As sweet and logical as she was in some things, there was that "judgement" mentality that crippled her thinking on others. **sigh**
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  If YOU had to make the decision, would you respect a JW relatives wish to refuse a blood transfusion?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  a few years after i quit the meetings my mum needed her medical directive signed and witnessed and she asked if i'd do it.

  i was surprised to say the least!.

  i think she was just angling to include me and maybe find some lever to get me involved again.

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  Dagney

  I would discuss this issue before hand with the person so that we all knew where we stand. And it would allow them to choose a different person if needed.

  So it depends.

  In the case of an elderly parent/relative, I would respect their wises. It would be devastating and disturbing to them to put them through this...needlessly. Yes it is the WT's fault that forces this, but I'm not going to add to it in this case and cause the great distress that it would. They have a right to choose.
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  Someones trying to make $$ recording JW meetings

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  .99 cents a month.

  https://www.youtube.com/user/jwmeetings/featured.

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  Dagney

  If this stays up, I think maybe the WT could be behind this channel covertly. If it gets traction with numerous subscribers, it could be the meeting of the future and they can just count the subscribers as attendees to all the meetings.

  This cult makes me think deviously.
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  Steven Lett asks for money again

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the 2016 january tv.jw.org broadcasting has a clear message: jw.org needs more money!.

  the 2 months of donation increase is not enough: the thousands of projects are not a 2 month project.. so: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you (heh heh heh) and send us more!

  personal conclusion: if i had any doubts that the society is sincere, this openly money grabbing has made my perception complete.

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  Dagney

  Seriously...this guy can't get any creepier!!!

  On the other hand...they should keep using him...maybe it will turn more away!
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  Chaos at Brooklyn Bethel 12/2016

  by James Jack in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this was how it was described to me yesterday by a brother who has been there for some 40 years.

  "everyone is about gone; the governing body is set to leave within 2 months; the kitchen and laundry personnel are gone and i have to fend for myself now.".

  "also the aggravation of 4 to 5 business men in suits with clipboards daily checking out the watchtower properties.

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  Dagney

  It must be so depressing.

  But then again, they chose to hang their star on this cult and not be aware of the signs. So those hanging tight be it there or in the congregations...they want the dream of billions dying so they can have a pet tiger. Good luck with that!