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  The Ray Franz Saga

  by snugglebunny in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm just curious as to how it all happened.. to explain.

  many years back, before ex-jw websites, i called on a local lady in order to design an extension to her already enormous house.

  she was a young, voluptuous gal, married to a much older local business man who spared little expense in order to give his young wife whatever her heart desired.. we chatted for ages.

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  Dagney

  I do remember it being very big stuff. I could not figure out how that could happen. I had a bible student at the time and I gave her the speech about men being imperfect, don't follow men, stick to the bible.

  I also remember Ray interviewed on the radio, and we all knew about it and listened. I remember not being shocked at anything he said, and just filed it away thinking there was a lot more to the story. I went on a two week visit to Bethel in 1982, and there was a lot of talk about it still. It appeared to me they were confused as anybody else, especially knowing the character of the man and his wife, and the others DF.

  It wasn't until 20 years later I read the story online and his book. The pieces fit.
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  Underground stone rings made by Neanderthals

  by freemindfade in

  1. social
  2. current

  https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/scientists-underground-stone-rings-made-by-neanderthals/2016/05/25/1fa17e98-229b-11e6-b944-52f7b1793dae_story.html.

  two mysterious stone rings found deep inside a french cave were probably built by neanderthals about 176,500 years ago, proving that the ancient cousins of humans were capable of more complex behavior than previously thought, scientists say..

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  Dagney

  I love this stuff.
  
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  RUSSIA: Jehovah's Witnesses face possible liquidation

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2181.

  24 may 2016. russia: jehovah's witnesses face possible liquidation.

  by victoria arnold, forum 18. if prosecutors proceed with their threat to liquidate the jehovah's witness headquarters near st petersburg, thousands of local congregations across russia could also face prohibition of their activities and individuals could be vulnerable to criminal charges for expressing their beliefs, forum 18 notes.. the jehovah's witnesses' principal body in russia is under threat of dissolution as an "extremist" organisation after the deadline in an official warning from the general prosecutor's office expired on 10 may, forum 18 notes.

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  Dagney

  Well they are an extremist group when the boxes of the definition of cult are ticked.

  As a group overall, they are typically quiet and "peaceable" as far as their behavior.

  However, the message in the WT literature is clear. It is divisive and cruel for families as they enforce their shunning rules.

  It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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  Damaging Children With the Christian Gospel

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the christian gospel begins with the dehumanising assertion that all humans are fallen sinners who deserve nothing but god's judgement and wrath.. not only does this taint all relationships between christians and unbelievers, it destroys the beautiful innocence of childhood.

  in a recent edition of the popular christian radio program "family life today", titled “introducing your child to god,” co-host bob lepine discussed teaching “practical theology” to his young daughter, explaining:.

  when my daughter, amy, was still less than two years old, i started teaching practical theology to her.

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  Dagney

  The OP reminds me of my first study. After she was baptized she was afraid to let her mom watch her baby because her mom told her she was going to take her to the Catholic church to be baptized because she didn't want the BABY to go to HELL.

  Well, I was probably 20 yo myself, didn't really know anything about anything other than JW. I thought that was was preposterous! Who would think of such a thing.

  Of course it took me years to realize how similar the JW beliefs were, and they had their own type of fear and infant baptisms. And realize her mother was just trying to protect her family from what she believed was true.

  GD religion.
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  the beautiful Towers hotel now for sale

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  its a gorgeous building, and you should see the commercial they made for it.. http://21clarkstreet.com.

  the commercial video, as well as the cool 360° vr views are available on the home page of.

  https://www.watchtowerbrooklynrealestate.com.

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  Dagney

  Wowzers! That is some commercial!

  Those Brooklyn kids must be having the time of their lives play acting in these vids.
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  Damaging Children With the Christian Gospel

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the christian gospel begins with the dehumanising assertion that all humans are fallen sinners who deserve nothing but god's judgement and wrath.. not only does this taint all relationships between christians and unbelievers, it destroys the beautiful innocence of childhood.

  in a recent edition of the popular christian radio program "family life today", titled “introducing your child to god,” co-host bob lepine discussed teaching “practical theology” to his young daughter, explaining:.

  when my daughter, amy, was still less than two years old, i started teaching practical theology to her.

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  Dagney

  I agree Cofty. Most of us here don't want any part of that thinking.

  THEN, there are those who identify with it, and need to have those thoughts about themselves...it is somehow comforting. And it is any religion.

  The issue is how to raise kids. Hopefully it is with love and encouragement for freedom of thought. Even then, some who are raised in a secular environment back to a religious life, because they need it.

  Today I listened to an NPR interview with rabbi who is the sister of Sarah Silverman, avowed atheist. The children of the rabbi keep kosher but are not religious, much to the mom's disappointment.

  That being said, I do not find the christian message loving as shown in the above article, with so many reasons why...
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  "Cult Following" - New album by former JW

  by Dagney in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was listening to "fresh air" today and this review came up for a new album by a former jw, laurel sprengelmeyer/little scream.. http://www.npr.org/2016/05/23/479154048/little-scream-casts-a-dreamy-spell-with-cult-following.

  laurel sprengelmeyer has opened up the possibility that she intends the album titled "cult following" to have more than one meaning, not just a small devoted fan base, but perhaps a reference to having been raised for part of her youth as a jehovah's witness, which she has referred to in an interview as a kind of christian religious cult.. yup.

  it kind of is..

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  Dagney

  I was listening to "Fresh Air" today and this review came up for a new album by a former JW, Laurel Sprengelmeyer/Little Scream.

  http://www.npr.org/2016/05/23/479154048/little-scream-casts-a-dreamy-spell-with-cult-following

  Laurel Sprengelmeyer has opened up the possibility that she intends the album titled "Cult Following" to have more than one meaning, not just a small devoted fan base, but perhaps a reference to having been raised for part of her youth as a Jehovah's Witness, which she has referred to in an interview as a kind of Christian religious cult.

  Yup. It kind of is.
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  Died Due To Refusing Blood Transfusion

  by rrb2016 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  well, last monday my mother, a jehovah's witness since her baptism in 1968 died last week because she would not accept a blood transfusion.

  she was 76 and had lung and skin cancer.

  i know that the cancer would have gotten her anyway, but she was bleeding internally, and was told that she needs a blood transfusion, as her blood count went all the way down to 3.2 (should be 12-14.

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  Dagney

  OmGosh, I am so sorry!
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  Why do witnesses feel the need to put JW ORG on all their social media sites?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  have you all noticed the obsession witnesses have of putting jw.org on all their social media sites like facebook, twitter, instagram etc?.

  so many put it in their bio section...like some sort of loud proclamation to other witnesses that they are righteous and spreading the message.. it's also very lazy.

  now with no personal effort at all, they can just say jw.org and be "witnessing".

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  Dagney

  I think it is human nature to want to identify with something. We like to show we belong to something...like something. Think wearing baseball caps or shirts of your favorite team, or performer...or Disney character. It's also an identifier to others in the club.

  Add the complex nature of a cult, and the feeling of being chosen for a fairytale reward, then ya got near hysterical devotion by some to JW.org.

  It is a phenomena we are not used to seeing in the last 20-30 years by the WT though I'll say. I really hate seeing it...but it's my baggage I know.
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  What's your favourite feel good movie ?

  by jhine in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  maybe it's time for a less serious thread .

  i have just finished watching dirty dancing ( again ) .

  what is your feel good movie , the one that makes you smile and cry happy tears ?

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  Dagney

  I share many of the same mentioned.

  Casablanca

  Harvey - I'm crazy about these two movies.

  Arthur (original)

  French Kiss

  To Kill a Mockingbird, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn

  Fried Green Tomatoes, Forest Gump

  Enchanted April

  You've Got Mail/Sleepless in Seattle/When Harry Met Salley

  Doris Day movies - Pillow Talk, That Touch of Mink, The Thrill of it All - There...I said it!