Posts by Dagney

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Kids continue to leave in droves - so what is the organization's grand plan? This

by sir82 in

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jws have one of the worst, if not the worst, retention rates among their kids.

i've seen numbers from 65% to 88% who leave, never to return.. you'd think this would be a priority amongst the leadership, right?

where do tomorrow's leaders come from, if the vast majority of kids leave the organization?

Dagney

Good discussion.

I'm amazed at the time and effort the WBTS has put forth in their pixar-like videos for kids. As has been mentioned, as cute and fluffy as they are, the message is divisive, scary and mean. If kids watch any secular programs, the message is tolerance and love which I think is the message we are instinctively attracted to. The WBTS is a master at doublespeak and mixed messages and I think kids will feel it just like we all did. I haven't met one born-in exJW that got behind the destruction depicted by all those scary pictures we were raised with. Kids, bicycles, dogs falling down crevices at god's great war...scary ladies sitting on scarlet red dragons...it didn't seem "right."

If they wanted to retention, HQ would have to care more about the flock than the corporation. They never have and they never will.

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New Here ... Just woke up

by Sevan in

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hey all, .

this is my first post.

i haven't been out in service or to a meeting in over a month.. i realize now that i've been having serious questions for years and many articles and talks have greatly disturbed me over the years.

Dagney

Welcome! Glad you found us!

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Stem cells - Watchtower position

by Dagney in

does anyone know the wt's position on medical treatment using stem cells?

i don't even know how to go about finding out this information.

if anyone could tell me where to look or what the current position is by the society, i am most appreciative.. i would like to recommend the treatment to a jw relative, but don't want to get involved in an argument if it is forbidden.

Dagney

OrphanCrow, I sure remember the boom when the AIDS epidemic hit. My doctor even told me, "well, I guess you guys had it right!" In my smug arrogance at the time, I agreed. sigh

Sooooo, the co-worker who had the treatment came back to work today. She told her JW brother about the treatment because his wife has RA. I think he might have called Bethel because my coworker said "he checked with the society and it is up to his own counsel." Coworker doesn't know to use the word "society"; she is 100% Catholic and teaches catechism.

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Disco Haters - Buzz Off

by berrygerry in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jozs6lgqyi.

the beegees were awesome, and our scientology bro travolta had the best white man moves, period.. stay alive, baby.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_izvabhexy.

Dagney

So.Much.Fun.

The society hadn't come down completely on fun and huge groups would just go dancing. We'd close the club, go for food at 3am, and roll into Sunday morning meeting.

Life is all about balance.

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Stem cells - Watchtower position

by Dagney in

does anyone know the wt's position on medical treatment using stem cells?

i don't even know how to go about finding out this information.

if anyone could tell me where to look or what the current position is by the society, i am most appreciative.. i would like to recommend the treatment to a jw relative, but don't want to get involved in an argument if it is forbidden.

Dagney

That is interesting OrphanCrow. Who knew!

Stem cell seem to be the answer to almost any illness. One lady from Australia has 3 kidneys! One was transplanted, one hers, and another one is growing. When she is done she is going to donate the transplanted one back into the system. Her medical doctors are speechless.

So yay Canada for getting the ball rolling!

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Stem cells - Watchtower position

by Dagney in

does anyone know the wt's position on medical treatment using stem cells?

i don't even know how to go about finding out this information.

if anyone could tell me where to look or what the current position is by the society, i am most appreciative.. i would like to recommend the treatment to a jw relative, but don't want to get involved in an argument if it is forbidden.

Dagney

I'm with you smiddy. I was raised by parents suspicious of everything promoted by a cult that loved to fabricate "special knowledge" from random words in a bronze age text. None of it is logical. And a BIG pet peeve is they gladly take sanitized life saving products from donated blood of their enemies. JW's are takers...never giving back to any system designed for the good of all.

This particular treatment is alternative and not done in the USA. The stem cells come from who knows where, I don't care...the results are astounding, life saving. I think it is too radical for my JW family, sadly, because I know it would help. This is not in the AMA wheel house. I will pursue it myself once my broken hand heals. Maybe I'll plant a seed that way.

I appreciate so much the contributions of all on this board. The knowledge and abilities are amazing and together we are a force to be reckoned with.

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Stem cells - Watchtower position

by Dagney in

does anyone know the wt's position on medical treatment using stem cells?

i don't even know how to go about finding out this information.

if anyone could tell me where to look or what the current position is by the society, i am most appreciative.. i would like to recommend the treatment to a jw relative, but don't want to get involved in an argument if it is forbidden.

Dagney

You guys are just the best!!

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Stem cells - Watchtower position

by Dagney in

does anyone know the wt's position on medical treatment using stem cells?

i don't even know how to go about finding out this information.

if anyone could tell me where to look or what the current position is by the society, i am most appreciative.. i would like to recommend the treatment to a jw relative, but don't want to get involved in an argument if it is forbidden.

Dagney

Thank you OrphanCrow!

I can see that within the system this treatment can be used when certain criteria are met. That is really good to know.

Thank you so much again!

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Stem cells - Watchtower position

by Dagney in

does anyone know the wt's position on medical treatment using stem cells?

i don't even know how to go about finding out this information.

if anyone could tell me where to look or what the current position is by the society, i am most appreciative.. i would like to recommend the treatment to a jw relative, but don't want to get involved in an argument if it is forbidden.

Dagney

Many thanks wifibandit!

I read the three articles you provided. I think the treatment I would like to recommend is verbotten, sadly. I will skip the idea...no need to open a can of worms. sigh She will have to wait for her paradise, and wait, and wait...

Thank you so much again wifi.

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Stem cells - Watchtower position

by Dagney in

does anyone know the wt's position on medical treatment using stem cells?

i don't even know how to go about finding out this information.

if anyone could tell me where to look or what the current position is by the society, i am most appreciative.. i would like to recommend the treatment to a jw relative, but don't want to get involved in an argument if it is forbidden.

Dagney

Hello all,

Does anyone know the WT's position on medical treatment using stem cells? I don't even know how to go about finding out this information. If anyone could tell me where to look or what the current position is by the society, I am most appreciative.

I would like to recommend the treatment to a JW relative, but don't want to get involved in an argument if it is forbidden. I believe the stem cells come from clinics, (could be an issue), and are mixed with blood drawn from the body and infused back into the body, also could be an issue.

So many rules I couldn't care less about, but if it is conscience matter, I would like to at least tell them about it.

TIA for any help.