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  Disfellowshipped for Fornication

  by TxNVSue2023 in

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  hi i want to tell my story and get advice.

  i'm a single sister ( in usa) that has been baptized for 20 years.

  i came from the world, so did not grow up in the truth and i have no family in the truth -- i am alone.. last year i met a brother & we did have premarital sex while we were dating.

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  I guess I can't wrap my head around the need to confess something that has already been resolved. I wasn't aware that repentance had to involve the elders because I had already repented on my own.

  What makes sense and sounds reasonable without the dogma of the JW religion makes no difference to the elders and organization. Every sin must be punished, they are all about punishing. You might have thought "hey I've been through a really difficult time and made some mistakes," and the elders would be there for some guidance and shepherding. That's not how it works. Punish first, and if they feel there is enough remorse, then they let you back in. Then if you perform well enough for a period of time under their observation, then maybe some shepherding.

  They can df you without wrongdoing. They can df you for not showing up to a meeting. They can df you for anything they want. I'm not exaggerating. There are hundreds of examples on the internet. Google it.
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  Disfellowshipped for Fornication

  by TxNVSue2023 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi i want to tell my story and get advice.

  i'm a single sister ( in usa) that has been baptized for 20 years.

  i came from the world, so did not grow up in the truth and i have no family in the truth -- i am alone.. last year i met a brother & we did have premarital sex while we were dating.

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  Dagney

  I was told by an elder before going into a meeting with elders, not a JC, "you win no battles with elders." And as mentioned, the cards are usually stacked against women in JC meetings.

  There are many options for meeting people in a new city. Meetup offers tons of options. The local congregation would be very limiting, especially if you are df'd. It sounds like you wish to remain a JW, what TonusOH said above is what to expect, your mileage may vary.

  This is a perfect opportunity to start new. The marriage was short and no children. These feelings and issues you are having about how the elders treated you will most likely not go away. I recommend seeking counseling with a qualified therapist with experience in high control groups before making any life changing decisions.

  Best of luck to you.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  What a lovely and honest interview. Good interviewer as well.
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  Lots of empty seats at Jehovah's Witnesses Convention in Tucson, Arizona

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  https://youtu.be/5926nhzyz90.

  the jehovah's witness 2023 convention theme is, ''exercise patience''...by looking at the attendance at this tucson, arizona convention, it should be changed to, '' jehovah's witnesses...running out of patience''.

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  Dagney

  Man does this make my day. Wow.

  I am venturing into the land of JW in a few weeks to visit relatives. I am so curious what the atmosphere will be.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Man... this guy! He is so focused on himself and his defense he cannot see the absurdity of the statements he makes.

  He should not have ANYTHING to do with ANYBODY who has suffered sexual/emotional abuse of any kind. He is a predator.

  We knew from the get go here he was a tool, unreasonable and vindictive, to say the least. But he is far far worse.
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  Regional Convention Attendance

  by XBEHERE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  elder friend of mine texted me asking what my rc attendance was 2 weeks ago (family and i streamed it since wife is not well).

  he told me that his rc in the jersey city assembly hall last weekend was low.

  co told them that around 2600 were the total from 16+ congs that were assigned.

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  I tried to watch Six Screens, as that convention location is where I live and attended. Those pictures though, wow. It used to be such a vibrant occasion and the location was very sweet by the ocean. Now, less than 3K in attendance! I didn't think it would be that low, and there are 12 conventions scheduled. Surprising also NO bibles. I know they use the App, but still!

  This low attendance is good news to be sure, the REAL Good News! What a dreadful time to be a JW. And creepy.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  OMG lol
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  Does the WTS have a clergy class (yes-no)

  by blondie in

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  2. friends

  wt 2021 october p.20 "in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.

  although we respect those who are taking the lead, we accept jesus’ clear teaching: “all of you are brothers.”".

  ijbq article 92 point 6: in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.

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  ^^^LOL
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  Does the WTS have a clergy class (yes-no)

  by blondie in

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  2. friends

  wt 2021 october p.20 "in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.

  although we respect those who are taking the lead, we accept jesus’ clear teaching: “all of you are brothers.”".

  ijbq article 92 point 6: in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.

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  Dagney

  The WT corp doesn't like certain words...like clergy, grace, gospel etc. Those are "Christendom's" words.

  In quickly reading a dozen google definitions for clergy, the WT corp most definitely has a clergy whether some poor brother from the platform waxes sentimentally that "we are all brothers.." and says they do not. But the corporation doesn't like the word clergy.

  It is very very clear from every word from corporate, obedience to the men in leadership in this organization is mandatory. This is a clergy by numerous definitions.

  They just don't like the word. It's "Christendom's" word. They think if they tell the flock they are not a clergy, the followers will believe them.
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  Does the WTS have a clergy class (yes-no)

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  wt 2021 october p.20 "in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.

  although we respect those who are taking the lead, we accept jesus’ clear teaching: “all of you are brothers.”".

  ijbq article 92 point 6: in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.

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  Dagney

  They don't have clergy until they need one in court to avoid responsibility in lawsuits.