Posts by Dagney

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Former Jehovah's Witness admits: We targeted grief-stricken as 'ripe fruit'

by Londo111 in

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/80708572/former-jehovahs-witness-admits-we-targeted-grief-stricken-as-ripe-fruit.

jehovah's witnesses target grief and see the recently bereaved as "ripe fruit" for conversion, a former elder of the faith says.. vince and michele tylor spoke out after reading the story of wellington woman jean sergent-shadbolt, who received a handwritten letter from a jehovah's witness three months to the day after her step-cousin, friend and flatmate died.. a current senior elder of the faith says it has no policy to target grieving, and those who do so are acting on their own initiative.

however, he concedes such people may feel guided by jehovah's witness literature.. but vince tylor said he knew of members who would trawl though obituaries to find grieving people, or visit cemeteries.. "not only do we see watchtower printed material suggesting and supporting writing letters from obituaries such as what jean received, but we even have reports and articles of encouragement for jws to go to cemeteries to look for people as well.".

Dagney

In the territory of my old hall was a very large cemetery, Forest Lawn. You better believe those pioneers worked it, and they loved it.

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A Coin With a Remarkable History

by cofty in

over the years i have shared a few examples of objects i have found while metal detecting near my home in northumberland in ne england.

i live in a rural estate that was the site of a medieval village with a manor house and defensive tower.

many of the things i find illustrate the amazing history of the location.

Dagney

Really interesting! I remember years ago when you shared your finds.

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Thought on “0 hours” reporting

by FFGhost in

so everyone knows the “big news” of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.

beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they “shared in any form of the ministry during the month”.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke “throwaway comment” but after thinking about it….why not?.

the idea is, what is “any form of the ministry”?

Dagney

I don’t believe the corporation cares at all about the R & F at any personal level, only at the grand total of “active” they can use for their charity status.

As the source of qualified men diminish, they will prob revisit the body of elders model. They already have alternative ways of handling matters when needed. Canned programming is already in place for meetings whether in person or by zoom and fewer men are needed. Is there still a ministry school? I’m so out of touch. They can just have an online course at the org, since D2D is no longer important.

I wonder what some elder and full time servants, and pioneers think. Does any of it matter anymore? The business model, and it is a business first, will evolve to preserve the corporation.

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Interesting story in todays New York Times that gives some insight into the religious soup of the 1800s that Watchtower arose from.

by Balaamsass2 in

todays nyt.

fascinating read and background of new york state in the 1800s.

this community welcomes mediums, but first you have to prove yourself.

Dagney

I didn’t think of that. But it was all happening at the same time. Makes sense…always looking for the special revelation of future and past.

I saw the below film a few years ago

HBO Documentary Films: No One Dies in Lily Dale Trailer (HBO) - YouTube https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jquQCesQ-yI

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J.W org and Noah's Flood

by Phizzy in

i remember when i was "in" the org.

had a ridiculous public talk outline defending the genesis flood myth.. do they have a current one doing that ?.

Dagney

Oh the flood...

Even as a kid I could not figure out how that crazy story could happen...right along being swallowed by a big fish and living to tell about it!

But miracles are miracles and if you have faith in miracles...science doesn't matter.

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Jehovah's Witnesses no longer count time. How is this news affecting moral and meeting attendance at local congregations?

by Balaamsass2 in

no more watchtower and awake mags every 2 weeks to place.

no private home book studies.

no more "essential" spiritual food meals 5x a week.

Dagney

There should be some interesting conversations if they start asking each other how many hours they did the past month.

Exactly what I was thinking about. Their WHOLE conversation will change, I think.

Years ago I was at a few JW functions and I realized that is all they talk about...where they went in service, where they went for break, did they go to the hall for cleaning etc. As an outsider looking in, I realized I had absolutely nothing in common with them anymore, and nothing to talk about. It helped me move forward.

So now what will they have to talk about? I guess the FS pubs will still share their exciting D2D stories

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Jehovah's Witnesses no longer count time. How is this news affecting moral and meeting attendance at local congregations?

by Balaamsass2 in

no more watchtower and awake mags every 2 weeks to place.

no private home book studies.

no more "essential" spiritual food meals 5x a week.

Dagney

Oh to be a fly on the wall...

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I'm visiting Vegas, Laguna Hills and Valencia (Magic Mountain) fancy a coffee?

by usualusername1 in

jw
friends

am visiting all these places from next week!

am staying for three weeks.. if you fancy catching up it would be great to see you.. paul.

Dagney

Welcome! I’m in Long Beach. I’d love a cuppa. ☕️🍸

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Thought on “0 hours” reporting

by FFGhost in

so everyone knows the “big news” of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.

beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they “shared in any form of the ministry during the month”.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke “throwaway comment” but after thinking about it….why not?.

the idea is, what is “any form of the ministry”?

Dagney

I was thinking about this over the last few days. What does that publisher total hours do for anybody? It's not a statistic people talk about or use, I think. Other than at the congregation level a tool for judging "spirituality" of an individual, (rolls eyes), I don't think it means much. Less work for the secretary and service department.

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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

by BoogerMan in

this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

Dagney

There was an interview with a Bethel rep on YouTube for a radio show and it was acknowledged that in most areas, people to not want strangers coming to their doors. It isn’t productive from the JW standpoint and a safety issue for the householder. Different times. Gone are the days just being seen in field service was supposed to be “a witness for Jehober.” Nobody cares about them.

The corporation is run by accountants and lawyers, and their goal is to protect assets. The GB are figure heads to relay the messages of fear and control.

I’ve been talking to my elder brother a bit more due to family issues. I’m wondering if he is going to say anything about this.