Posts by agapa37

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The Bastard told on my dad

by Lilycurly in

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so...everything had been fine for a while.

i wrote my da letter, very clear and also very surprinsingly "apostate" according to the elders.

so at first, dad does what he's told is right and starts the shunning.

Your comment pisses me off because if you would feel this way about your daughter speaking negatively about god and the organization, then why in the world are you on this board associating with us who feel the society is a cult? I know it is a free world, and you may very well at some point see the truth about the society. But that comment is being two faced to me.

I appreciate your honest and well put comment.The senario that i posed and the one I am in right now are two different things. I aplly the same things i said about if my daughter were ever to get that far to people here. If you read my post you will notice I said curb my association. I do this here as well.

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The Bastard told on my dad

by Lilycurly in

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so...everything had been fine for a while.

i wrote my da letter, very clear and also very surprinsingly "apostate" according to the elders.

so at first, dad does what he's told is right and starts the shunning.

agapa37

But thats the whole point - it WOULDNT be fine, because if you didnt shun your daughter the elders would be onto you,

That is the problem. Who cares what the Elders would do to you. Let the Elders be onto you. The Elders are not the masters of our Faith Jesus is. If my daughter was not DF or was not speaking bad about God and the way of worship then they have no leg to stand on scripturally against me for continuing my relationship with my daughter and would make that very clear to them. I would have a clean conscience before jehovah about my decision.

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The Bastard told on my dad

by Lilycurly in

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so...everything had been fine for a while.

i wrote my da letter, very clear and also very surprinsingly "apostate" according to the elders.

so at first, dad does what he's told is right and starts the shunning.

agapa37

Sorry to hear that Lily. I have no Family in the truth, so I wouldn't know how that feels. I do have a daughter almost out of the house. Reading your experience made me think. Would I shun my daughter if she ever left? I love her with all my heart, so I thought really hard about it. This is what I came up with. If my daughter just left because she doesn't believe anymore, than fine. Me nor anyone else cannot force someone to Worship God. I would be able to except that and still have a loving relationship with her as I do now. But, if she were to leave and start dogging God and the way He is worshipped by us and speak negatively about Him to others and how we are a cult and the whole nine yards, then I would probably curb my associaiton with her. I would be very sad and hurt but It would be something I would have to do. Again lily, if my daughter just left and said " Im done I dont belive it anymore you have at it," and that was it, I can live with that and would continue relations as normal.

I am sorry to hear you are going through this.

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JW sighting at the supermarket

by Scully in

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last weekend i was picking up a few things for dinner and was just ringing through the order when i noticed the person behind me examining the cake i was buying a little too closely.

it was a jw woman we used to know.

apparently she was hell bent on figuring out whether this cake was for some kind of celebration (it wasn't) so she could run back to her husband the elder and try to cause trouble for me.

agapa37

I need to show how happy I am these days!

I look forward to my next opportunity to meet a witness out in public.

Why wait till you see them out in Public. Go where they are. Back to the meetings!

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JW sighting at the supermarket

by Scully in

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last weekend i was picking up a few things for dinner and was just ringing through the order when i noticed the person behind me examining the cake i was buying a little too closely.

it was a jw woman we used to know.

apparently she was hell bent on figuring out whether this cake was for some kind of celebration (it wasn't) so she could run back to her husband the elder and try to cause trouble for me.

agapa37

I couldn't help but notice how worn and tired she looked. And how her disappointment was visible at the news that we are doing just fine thanks.

Personally I think that is a strong judgement to make. How do you know She felt that way? How do you know that she is unhappy about you doing just fine, but just concerned and maybe saddened that you do not serve Jehovah anymore as outlined by the witnesss? That is not so bad is it, to be concerned about someone you feel is not doing the right thing? Even though you do not agree with her way of worship, she does and she may have genuine feeling for you because what she truely believes in as being right and beneficial, you no longer practice. That is not a bad thing in my book.

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Are witnesses Christians?

by KW13 in

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i know that all religions have their flaws, so do you agree that witnesses should call themselves christians or are they 'too un-christian'?.

the baptism, i think proves its different, they are baptized into an organization, that forms part of the questions...agreeing that the society is god's earthly representation.. personally i feel they are not christians.

agapa37

I agree ozzie and what made Jesus such a great teacher is, He not only taught them with words but also showed them how to act by example. Something that we all need to be aware of constantly.

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Are witnesses Christians?

by KW13 in

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i know that all religions have their flaws, so do you agree that witnesses should call themselves christians or are they 'too un-christian'?.

the baptism, i think proves its different, they are baptized into an organization, that forms part of the questions...agreeing that the society is god's earthly representation.. personally i feel they are not christians.

agapa37

First of all the idea that you can "teach" someone to be Christian is totally ludicrous to begin with. Christianity is a faith in Christ and comes from within

Well I think Jesus would have something to say about that statement. As a matter of fact he has addressed it. Notice:

Matthew 28:19-20

"Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things."

It sounds as if to me that teaching people to be Christ like is a commision from Jesus himself.

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Are witnesses Christians?

by KW13 in

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friends

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i know that all religions have their flaws, so do you agree that witnesses should call themselves christians or are they 'too un-christian'?.

the baptism, i think proves its different, they are baptized into an organization, that forms part of the questions...agreeing that the society is god's earthly representation.. personally i feel they are not christians.

agapa37

Incidentally, you may be interested to know that many christians make a personal decision (note I said "personal"- no-one told them) to avoid military servicer in a war zone. I have also seen that the differentiation between christians and dubs in moral areas is not so large as the dubs would pretend that they are I agree.

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Are witnesses Christians?

by KW13 in

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friends

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i know that all religions have their flaws, so do you agree that witnesses should call themselves christians or are they 'too un-christian'?.

the baptism, i think proves its different, they are baptized into an organization, that forms part of the questions...agreeing that the society is god's earthly representation.. personally i feel they are not christians.

agapa37

Matt. 26:52: "Jesus said to him: ‘Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword.’" (Could there have been any higher cause for which to fight than to safeguard the Son of God? Yet, Jesus here indicated that those disciples were not to resort to weapons of physical warfare.)

Isa. 2:2-4: "It must occur in the final part of the days that the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains . . . And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore." (Individuals out of all nations must personally decide what course they will pursue. Those who have heeded Jehovah’s judgment give evidence that he is their God.)

2 Cor. 10:3, 4: "Though we walk in the flesh, we do not wage warfare according to what we are in the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things." (Paul here states that he never resorted to fleshly weapons, such as trickery, high-sounding language, or carnal weapons, to protect the congregation against false teachings.)

Luke 6:27, 28: "I [Jesus Christ] say to you who are listening, Continue to love your enemies, to do good to those hating you, to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you.

Just from those few scriptures and there are more it is quit clear to me that Jesus does not condon Christians to go to war and kill thier enemy.

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Are witnesses Christians?

by KW13 in

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friends

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i know that all religions have their flaws, so do you agree that witnesses should call themselves christians or are they 'too un-christian'?.

the baptism, i think proves its different, they are baptized into an organization, that forms part of the questions...agreeing that the society is god's earthly representation.. personally i feel they are not christians.

agapa37

Well just take for example "WAR"! Killing your enemy is something that Jesus spoke out against and encourage his disciple not to do.