ok, so you believe that only 144,000 people will be in heaven at the end.
but, in revelations 7, it says that 144,000 from all the tribes of israel will stand be for the lamb and the throne of god.
and the it goes on to say the 12,000 from each tribe.
Well, let those 144,000 JW's get admittance into Heaven!!! Who cares??
If the rest of the world gets admittance to Hell, I'd rather be in Hell, much more fun!!! Besides... I dont want J.W.'s knocking at my door on Saterday mornings at 8.30 a.m. anymore!
i have been a jw all my life and i'm in mid to late 40's.
i've seen much abuse.currently i am inactive/attend occ meeting.. my husband who is also a jw and attends some meetings but has been inactive in service for some time due to depression.not at all responsive to me talking to him about this site.he defends jw to the end.my question has to do with other religions than jw.
my husband says that issues like child molestation/ abuse and rape have not generally been dealt well with by anybody until lately.i am from texas and here the baptist and church of christ are major religions.
Freeman:
To my knowledge, other churches don't generally claim to be the one and only true church and that all others are under the control of the devil.Sorry to disappoint you, but the islam does the same!! They also shout it from the mosque during Xmas time!
i have been a jw all my life and i'm in mid to late 40's.
i've seen much abuse.currently i am inactive/attend occ meeting.. my husband who is also a jw and attends some meetings but has been inactive in service for some time due to depression.not at all responsive to me talking to him about this site.he defends jw to the end.my question has to do with other religions than jw.
my husband says that issues like child molestation/ abuse and rape have not generally been dealt well with by anybody until lately.i am from texas and here the baptist and church of christ are major religions.
LARC:
Why do you always have to take the words right of my mouth??
the Witnesses claim to be God's chosen people. They claim to be more moral than all other religions. They claim to live to higher standards. Of course, these claims are false. To say that other groups have problems does not change the fact that the JWs have major problems.The WT speaks out both sides of its mouth. They say they have a "clean" organization. When this is shown to be false, they fall back to the "imperfect men" idea, and the "other religions have problems too" arguement. To me, it just doesn't wash.
Wednesday:
Here in Europe childabuse cases are handled now, claims are taken seriously, victims words are taken as the truth, priest are exposed, a few of them even committed suicide as they didnt want to stand trial and didnt want to face up the truth.
The WTS is doing NOTHING, except for putting the blame on the victims as the want to keep their so called holy organization clean. Clean it is, my ass! (sorry)
They just want to have clean hands!! Well, I've never seen more dirty hands then theirs!!! (Malawi,UN membership, Navy shares etc)
hi folks,.
i'm rather new here, only posted a couple of times.
although i have been visiting the site daily for a good 2 months now.
Naked:
The date of December 25th was the celebration of the birth of the Babylonian sun god.
THANKS A LOT Naked, then this year I will celebrate the birth of the Babylonian Sun God!!! If he would be so kind to send me some extra sun on the 25th December, that'll be great!!!!!
hi folks,.
i'm rather new here, only posted a couple of times.
although i have been visiting the site daily for a good 2 months now.
Naked:
Like I said, there are many rituals and customs that are based on paganism.
So what?? Who cares about on what those rituals/customs are based! What's the difference in celebrating your anniversary or Valentine's Day??
But when it comes to celebrations that knowingly deceive then no, I will not follow
Deceive who and how?? How can you be deceived if you want to celebrate f.i. Valentine's Day or 4th of July or your graduation??
Easter eggs are TAMMUZ's ..ahem, (BALLS!) Once you know all this stuff, it's difficult to celebrate it without tosing your lunch, if you know what I mean!!!
Do you think little kids care?? Come on, be realistic!!!
I feel that these celebrations offend God.
LOL!!!!!!!!!! And hiding phaedophiles doesnt offend him, or what??
Larc: As I maintain, it does not matter one wit, where these things come from. What matters is what it means today
You are so right Larc!! But some people dont seem to get it! If all of a sudden the new light tells them to celebrate X-mas, they will, no matter how opposed they were in the 1ste place!
hi folks,.
i'm rather new here, only posted a couple of times.
although i have been visiting the site daily for a good 2 months now.
Larc..you took the words right of my mouth;-))
Let me see if I got this right. Your father hardly ever talks to you. You asked him to perform the wedding ceremony and he refused. He did not evern go to your wedding, and now you are worried about his feelings? WHY?Dont let anything ruin this new happiness, Scuba!! What's more important to you, that your new wife is happy or your dad??
i've heard different "apostates" say that witnesses are so brainwashed that they would kill, if ordered by the faithful slave.
do you believe this?
A pacifist could drive a car recklessly, crash and kill his passengers. He would be responsible for their deaths, but it wouldn't change the fact that he was a pacifist
You are right about this BUT.......... in this case the driver didnt know the outcome of his actions and the WTS did.
When the WT gave those orders to Malawi JW nationals to not buy certain political party cards they knew damned well what would happen!!! They would be killed!!!
And to my humble opinion pacifism excludes ALL forms of violence!!!!!!!!!!! Or dont you see killing people as an act of violence! Let alone your OWN people!!!
one thing that the witnesses promote is how they are different from the rest of the world.
in your personal experience , did you find that you could trust a witness more than you could a non-jw?
That's right and I accused you of that because you yourself accused people of generalization first:
Amac: "Please explain how you have come to this conclusion about an entire group of people. But first, remember that a personal experience about how you were cheated by an elder in your hall will not cut it for a generalization for a group of 6 million. ....."
And that's why I asked you : "Tell me Amac, why are J.W.'s allowed to generalize everybody that is not a dub as an apostate and part of Satan's world????? But as soon as people all have more or less the same experience with dubs, they are blamed for generalization?????" BTW: it will be impossible for you to explain why I am an imbecile, because I'm not!!;-))
one thing that the witnesses promote is how they are different from the rest of the world.
in your personal experience , did you find that you could trust a witness more than you could a non-jw?
I didnt call anybody names, unkile other people!!!
i've heard different "apostates" say that witnesses are so brainwashed that they would kill, if ordered by the faithful slave.
do you believe this?
Thanx Gerard, dont be sorry for calling it as it is, rather have that, then all those lies about how pacifistic the WTS is!
