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My Mom Isn't Very Motivated With The "Truth" Lately And Wonders If She Recieved Anything From The Demons

by minimus in

jw
friends

what do ya think of that?

?.

FuzzyPaul

Mr. problemaddict,

Great logic there.

Since leaving the WT I have attended a few birthday celebrrations. I did not see any beheaded people. I did not see anyone being worshipped.

Its nonsense and "it's just another layer of control" to quote Neo in The Matrix.

Why is about everything bad to the WT? No choirs, no steeples, no halos on Moses pictures, no crosses, no churchy art or decor in a KH, no celebrations of any kind, no holidays - even thanksgiving, no eating over at a non-JW's house, no having friends with non-JWs not even bowling leagues, no sports teams, no keeping score at ball games, - How many pages would this take?

Fear, hate, yeah - THE TRUTH.

Love,

Fuzzy

P.S. yeah.

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My Mom Isn't Very Motivated With The "Truth" Lately And Wonders If She Recieved Anything From The Demons

by minimus in

jw
friends

what do ya think of that?

?.

FuzzyPaul

People, it isn't very funny that she is afraid of the demons.

Fearing demons implies that Almighty God doesn't protect his children. Being taught to fear demons, having been taught "Don't challenge the demons" is anti Christian. Jesus said "And these signs will accompany those who believe: In My name they will drive out demons". No time limit on that sign.

I used to believe that reading anything anti-Watchtower, even academically in section 220 - 222 of a library, was going to allow demons to jump out of the book into my brain. I did fear in fact. I read carefully, in case a demonized passage was there, and always looking to see who was in the library since pre-internet I read there. I am not saying this facetiously. But I went on safari looking for anti-Watchtower info when I learned that the Watchtower joined the United Nations and for ten years printed information promoting United Nations activities which they agreed to do in their application!!! They joined the UN as an NGO. Every excuse and denial, counter-attack, threat to silence was used by WT elders and higher-ups. A multi-page expose is on this JW.net website and an open letter was on the UN.org website stating the Watchtower was a member NGO. Bing / Google “Watchtower United Nations NGO member”. I can't now find the UN letter on UN.org, they may have buried it in their web computers or removed it.

One of the essays I read which settled my fears was The Story So Far,My Life in the Demon Haunted World of Jehovah's Witnessesby Ken Raines.

http://www.seanet.com/~raines/story.html

Jerry Bergman was a consultant to the writing committee's editors and authors about psychological / psychiatric issues. In the 1980s the WTBTS started acting modern - printing articles that linked mental illness states to medical issues including brain chemistry. Dr. Bergman became more aware that most JWs have Mental illness or psychological problems. Dr. Bergman was persecuted out of the WT when he started reaching out to help pro-actively. He reports that lying in Court was demanded in Child Custody cases by JWs asked to testify for a JW divorcing a non-JW which he opposed. Dr Bergman became increasingly alarmed by the culture of hatred.

Jerry Bergman, Ph. D. wrote the essay, Growing Up in a Religion of Hate. He writes, "Threats that I would "not survive Armageddon," fear, and an endless stream of "thou shalt nots" were my steady diet." He does mean artificial, improper "thou shalt nots". He is a moral man and a traditional Christian now.

http://www.seanet.com/~raines/hate.html

Even the Starwars character Yoda said, "

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

That is a true analysis.

The deleterious effect of being ordered to take a beating from persecutors outside the WT organization while being taught to hate all non-JWs is well reported on. The author of 30 Years a Watchtower Slave: The Confessions of a Converted Jehovah's Witness , William J. Schnell reports that he was part of the development of converting people using their own hatred, dis-satisfaction, grievances and other negativism. He was a North-American Zone overseer then. And inside the organization absolute control by the MS, Elders, their Circuit/District/Zone overseers is the status quo. Right or Wrong, Right this Month which was Wrong last Month, or Doctrine this Month that contradicts Last Months (and back in time) creates a culture of NO MATTER WHAT - THE WT IS ALWAYS RIGHT - AND ITS ELDERS NEVER DO ANY WRONG - AND DOCTRINES THAT KEEP CHANGING WHICH ELDERS SAY NEVER CHANGES intimidates the wee JW into fanciful denial of the attack on their sensibilities. Men become feminized, accepting domination by the constant pressure to never go anti anything WT or JW.

Things I knew about the WT's evil side got me in trouble when I exposed them in conversations with other JWs in a public space like the lobby of a KH. I was told that it wasn't true that JWs were expected to lie to authorities or in court for ThE TrUtH. They are. There is an epidemic of Child Molesting in the WT with cover-ups and protection of the guilty and persecution of the victim to silence the complaint. I was told that I shouldn't read the newspaper as a good JW. I was told to get my news from the "Society". After freeing up my mind to investigate the writings of ex-JWs and opposing authors (since when is it wrong to oppose something bad) I learned that things I KNEW were what others knew and I wasn't imagining them or misunderstanding. Evil is evil.

I read exposes on WT abuse against victims of childhood sexual molesting by Jehovah's Witness members even Ministerial Servants and elders. The WT transferred molesters, engaged in cover-ups, threatened anyone who sided with a victim, suing one mother after the step-father was reported to Police. That step-father, in New Hampshire, was sentenced to over 60 years in prison and the Watchtower has paid for his defense and his appeals. Is it legal for a 501c3 charity to use funds to hire criminal defense attorneys or pay any costs defending an accused Child Molester in the courts?

The ex-secretary for a WT Governing Body member, Barbara Anderson, was a founder of silentlambs.org. Silent Lambs is a huge thorn in the Watchtower's hide. William Bowen was an elder and got burnt in investigations and Judicial Committees when he wanted to do what was right.

http://www.silentlambs.org/index.cfm

So, why do Watchtower members leave? Mom must relax her fears and work toward getting into traditional Christianity. I've attended 14 or more different Christian Churches and I consistently find beautiful people and the Doctrine of Grace, No works needed, NO works can earn your way into everlasting life. Charis (Gk) is a GIFT of God, gifts are charity, we are helpless. Jesus blood was the ultimate Blood Sacrifice replacing all those in the Laws given to Moses. God said that those sacrifices covered the sins of the people such as on The DAY OF ATONEMENT. Does God tell lies? He said the death of the sacrificed animal paid the price for all the sins of all the people in the nation of Israel. Now we read that Jesus died for ALL MEN. (1 John 2:2) Faith in that, that is believing God meant what he said when he said the propitiatory sacrifice covered the sins for absolute forgiveness. Where is the “To Do List”? Love is the only standard for judgment.

Curious that a list of what keeps people from hearing Jesus say “‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels” is due to acts of love seen in charity. Matthew 25 :31 – 46 using Sheep and Goats to represent saved vs. unsaved is NOT ABOUT ACCEPTING WatchTower IDEAS. It is about charity, love seen in action. The Watchtower always taught NOT TO DO CHARITY WORK stating “it is like painting the deck on a sinking ship”, and that they are not interested in making “Rice Christians”. They openly refuse to perform charity and teach against giving to Charities, even to feed starving people. They want you to be a Goat! They must also want you to be sent to the Lake of Fire with the Devil. What ever The Lake of Fire is, it is not good!

The confusion about salvation is that one can't earn it but one can be disqualified as Apostle Paul listed and the Chapter 21:8 and Chapter 22:l4 and 15 of The revelation to St. John. One can sin working his way into losing salvation / paradise / eternal life. “Fear god” is a commandment which always means that fear is due GOD and nothing else or anyone else. Fear of anything else is not from GOD.

“ Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you ...

You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world …

Behold, the Lord’s hand is not so short That it cannot save; Nor is His ear so dull That it cannot hear.

When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

(James 4:7, 1 John 4:4, Isaiah 59:1, Deuteronomy 18:22)

http://www.seanet.com/~raines/leave.html

Ciao

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Do you appreciate our spiritual heritage?

by never a jw in

that is the title of the second study of the feb. 15, 2013 magazine (page 8).

to the left of the title a picture appears showing three people holding very old watchtower magazines from the early 1900's.

i have been studying jw's history and doctrines for less than a year and i already have far more knowledge than most c.o.

FuzzyPaul

Traditional Christian Churches are not pagan in origin or in their teaching. They emphasis JESUS and HE is not a pagan deity. Celebrating his birth or resurrection are not pagan as He is not a pagan deity. His image on a cross in a church does not violate the second commandment as HE is not a pagan deity and we are commanded to serve Jesus.

Salvation belongs to JESUS and the Bible by itself teaches enough by itself. The Watchtower wants "exclusive devotion" which is "worship".

And I left when I learned that they, the leadership of the Watchtower, joined the United Nations as an NGO agreeing to support the agenda of informing about UN activity which means publishing United Nations propaganda. Which they did for ten years. Arm in arrm with the Image of The Wild Beast they are.

And they teach that an Image of Jesus representing the truth of his death for us, HIS dying for us to pay the penalty for our sins, is pagan. I refuse that WT nonsense and the rest of Watchtower teaching. All the Watchtower's teachings seem designed and intended to contradict traditional, historic Christianity.

Charles Russell only wanted to teach what he called "The Free-Masonry of the Bible." Whatever Masonry is, its not of the Bible. Mason people are to be respected.

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How should I respond to JW relative?

by Resistance is Futile in

jw
friends

so i've been talking to one of my jw relatives lately, she's a young adult, born-in.

i've never openly said i don't believe in the governing body, and i've been asking her questions in order to get her thinking.

so i asked her if she believed watchtower publications were inspired and equivalent to the bible.

FuzzyPaul

Yeah, way too complicated, but dealt with by many others in this forum. We don't need to reinvent the wheel - so to speak.

They are evil, thats it. And they joined the Unnited Nations as an NGO which I verified on the UN website. That started me getting out.

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How should I respond to JW relative?

by Resistance is Futile in

jw
friends

so i've been talking to one of my jw relatives lately, she's a young adult, born-in.

i've never openly said i don't believe in the governing body, and i've been asking her questions in order to get her thinking.

so i asked her if she believed watchtower publications were inspired and equivalent to the bible.

FuzzyPaul

Since age 3 I was taught the WatchTower was the TRUTH and that we were IN THE TRUTH. For thirty years I worked and studied to try to make it plain to myself so I could teach others. We were taught NOT to make inquiries of special literature used by the WT editors (Various writers and editors just write what they are told) which they used as source material, some more objectively than others. Since they quote from, say, The Catholic Encyclopedia etc. then "lets go to the library and look stuff up." I was told "The FD&S has provided all we need", "Don't waste your time." - All such directives are to be considered commands. It wasn't the fear of God that was appealed to in Me (others say what I am about to) it was the fear of the Demons. It was taught that Demons inhabit the Churches and even reading their literature is an "invitation for the Demons" to influence, to attack us, or even that "one would be brought under the control of the Demons."

That means Demon Possession.

I have mocked that as - believing that Demons would "jump out of the page and into one's brain." If you are reading John F. MacArthur, who sounds like a co-editor of the WT, then one could be led to believe that hate is God-ordained. The WT promotes hatred, too many ways to describe, but look up what happened circa 1979 when Top editors, contributors, lead men in other countries and a GB member discovered and wanted factual data published and taught about the 1914 date being WRONG. Jerusalem was destroyed, in the final attack of several in 586 B.C.E. We read in the official WT pubs that they were "pure hatred" and that we were to hate them (with righteous hatred). They had facts, the kind of indisputable facts an experienced researcher could collect and prepare into a coherent thesis.

OUCHY. 1914 is the foundation of WT teaching. WW1 in 1914, Jesus advent (return) which later was re-explained as invisibly present (para see-yah), the inspection of the Churches (no proof that happened in any especially unique way) and finally the choosing Of The Most Glorious WTBTS and The IBSA in 1919. With Daniel's ... prophecies used to give dates. (which didn't add up as others have said here.) No objective proof of their choosing. No Shekinah light, no tongues -as if of fire, no glowing face halos, no miracles = like all the prophets had. Those sorts of evidences were taught to be of the Devil in our modern age. "Angel of light" deceptions.

What is the evidence the WT claims? "Truth." That they have the TRUTH, teach the TRUTH, are THE TRUTH, are in THE TRUTH.... And only absolutely perfect knowledge of that [Watchtower teaching] gets one saved. But during the 1980's we were told and reinforced NOT to use literature more than 5 (Five) years old. (Those old "Letters from Jehavah" would just confuse us with old light I supposed.) We are commanded - Not to do our own research, Not to take courses in Comparative Religion, Not not to use the Internet for research, except WT dot org, and now I've heard don't use the Internet. WHY not?

We would get "confused", one would get "Demon possessed", one would "suffer spiritual ruin". We will get kiLLeD at Armagedin and the birds will eat us.

Yup. I am not making this up, just presenting it in my own tones.

All that WT learning " is too weak to save", the "invisible presence of Jesus" who they don't defend as doing anything with his Kingly power, the powerful Spirit Of God which they tell us only they have, or The Love Of God (toward Us) protects us. None of it is more powerful than words on a page or a demon.

I think one must read entirely the 1st Letter of John. "4:4 You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world." Note the context, test the spirits, discern who are false-prophets, and who have the spirit of anti-Christ. (That the WT adds Songs to their official Song-Book and decreases references to Jesus, the Christ does not make them appear PRO-Christ.)

The WT even claims that nothing in the Bible applies to us, It is addressed to the "Anointed". Just the 144,000 left-overs who were alive in 1914 and old enough to understand ... or just alive in 1914 ... or read about 1914 with enthusiasm ... or what, I don't know. Anyone born in 1914 is 99 years old. Psalm 90 makes 80 years old special, generations were considered to be 40 years, or 50. (52 years is more supportable.) I think the latest WT thought is to add 120 years to 1914 like Noah was told his time until the flood was limited to. Is that a "Generation?

So. What now? Do we have nothing?

The word of God says about HIS word in Isaiah 55

6 Seek the Lord while He may be found,
Call upon Him while He is near.
7 Let the wicked forsake his way,
And the unrighteous man his thoughts;
Let him return to the Lord,
And He will have mercy on him;
And to our God,
For He will abundantly pardon.

8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

10 “For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven,
And do not return there,
But water the earth,
And make it bring forth and bud,
That it may give seed to the sower
And bread to the eater,
11 So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth;
It shall not return to Me void,
But it shall accomplish what I please,
And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it. (All quotes NKJV)

It shall prosper.

IT, by itself, SHALL, without any ones help, PROSPER with absolute accomplishment.

Only two things are explicitly stated as necessary to be saved. In the letter of Apostle Paul to The Roman believers, Chapter 10 we are told:

9 (FIRST) that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and (SECONDLY) believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. (THAT IS IT. WHAT CAN ADD TO THE BLOOD OF JESUS?) 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

"The same Lord is rich to all who call upon HIM" No distinction is made about the person. “Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Works can't earn salvation, studying literature can't save, putting on "the new personality", "practicing the Fruits of the Spirit" all of which are Watchtower directives taken out of Biblical context or are re-arranged, mis-translated thoughts sounding biblical. A fruit tree has no choice on what its fruit shall be. Therefore, one can't practice to have "the Fruitage of The Spirit" taught in Galatians 5. Even Faith is called a "Gift". Not a taken, are a practice, or acted out. Performing Works - Watchtower required type of works, doesn't produce or cause faith.

What we are depends on having God's Spirit for ourselves, directly within us. If we could work for salvation then why did Jesus die to pay our penalty for our sins? If we must have works to be saved, where is the list of works explicitly stated? Wouldn't this become having faith in our own works? That our own works can and will save us? That we have the right list of works and do them correctly?

The Faith that we get from God is in his sacrifice of his Son. The response from our spirit, being with God's Spirit is Love, charity. The specific text of Matthew 25:31 - 45, James 1:27 and 2:15,16 both describe CHARITY - feeding, housing, giving medical attention, providing food aid to other people without distinction. The Watchtower specifically calls charity "painting the deck on a sinking ship." And the WTBTS says they don't get involved in food aid as it makes "rice Christians." They actually mock the "only faith in Jesus can save" doctrine which is explicitly stated. Jesus fed thousands and said failure to feed others would get one condemned - (Mt 25). The WT commands NOT TO. Does anyone else see the contradiction of Jesus teachings and those of the Apostles?

Watchtower teaching will set you up for condemnation not salvation.

Luke 23 has this report, "39 Then one of the [two] criminals who were hanged [with Jesus] blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.”

40 But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” 42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”

43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

That evil-doer repented, called Jesus "Lord" and recognized Jesus authority to save him, AND must have BELIEVED that the Resurrection of Jesus was certain ( like Romans 10:9 says) before it happened (Hebrews 11:1).

THAT IS IT, THAT IS ALL OF WHAT GETS US SAVED.

There is no "road to salvation" Watchtower-ishly. The Watchtowers teachings lie about God's Goodness and desire to save everyone by Grace which means Charity and Charity is given freely. The WT contradicts the teachings on salvation so thoroughly and blasphemously they can't be teaching anything of "TRUTH" but devilish lies. The Devil knows the Scriptures, he undertstands Scripture as he can discern the prophecies about the Christ therein BUT twisted the application into contradiction. Worship of the devil, or God, involves who one gives "Exclusive Devotion" to.

Who does the Watchtower demand exclusive devotion to? Themselves. Their ideology, teachings, elder's commands....

"Test the spirits"

Whew, that was a lot of words.

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Talent shows at the KH?

by skeeter1 in

jw
friends

so, i know of a real talent show that took place at a kingdumb hall about 10 years ago.

there was never another talent show.

but, the jws all loved it and still talk about it.. is there a "rule" or something in the elder's manual about this?

FuzzyPaul

Around 1980 we had bowling parties with too many people for three lanes. Community centers filled for square dances. Square dances in West Virginia hay barns. Graduation parties in the Fire House recreation room.

Nobody died or cursed God.

It was all BANNED soon thereafter. And gradually the control became complete.

I still organized Snow skiing groups that filled an entire B&B or four bedroom condo.

Nobody got drunk, stupid, or "brought reproach."

Why should I be punished with social deprivations just because someone else somewhere did something uncool?

And if I did, why should you be punished? And why isn't there any forgiveness? Punishment with no end is the Watchtower's answer to peoples mistakes. And the innocent suffer unendingly due to their rules, rules, more rules system of governance.

I got black-listed after I grew what the WT considers a wicked beard. Does shaving cream have as much saving power as the blood of Jesus? Salvation in a can for you, I squirt it on my face and you are saved from stumbling to your eternal demise.

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I taught a Boy's choir since I left the WT. This is from one of my devotionals.

God loves music. God loves you and will help you be a good musician and singer.

“The LORD is my strength, the reason for my song, because he has saved me. I praise and honor the LORD -- He is my God and the God of my father.”

Exodus 15:2

Singers are musicians. The instrument is your voice. Music and musicians; songs and singers; and musical instruments are written about many times in the Bible. The Bible’s books of Chronicles is a history of Israel written 450 years B.C. In Chronicles, a record of Israel’s music is written about at 1Chronicles chapter 6 verses 30, 31, 32 & 33 ; 9:33 ; 13:8 ; 15:16, 19 & 22 :

“Kenaniah the head Levite was in charge of the singing; that was his responsibility because he was skillful at it.”

15:27 ; 16:9, 23, 33 & 42 ; 23:5 ; 25:1, 6 & 7 ; 2Chronicles 5:12 & 13 ; 7:6 ; 9:11 ; 20:21, 22 ; 23:13 & 18 ; 29:27 & 28 ; 31:2 ; 34:12 ; 35:15 & 25.

Those Musicians listed there are forever remembered because they made music for worshipping Yahweh the LORD God.

Yahweh is the name for God in the Old Testament. Today, Bibles sometimes replace Yahweh with LORD in all capitals. Yahweh is found many times in the songs in the Bible. There are 150 Psalms in the Bible. A Psalm is a song to praise God. During the first Lord’s Supper Jesus and his disciples sang Psalms.

“After singing psalms, they went out to the Mount of Olives.”

(Matthew 26:30)

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Praise God at every oportunity. Love your neighbor is proactive, personal, up close, interactive, frequent. Their are NO ELDERS BETWEEN US AND GOD.

1 Corinthians 11

Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

3 But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of the woman, and God is the head of Christ.

2 Corinthians 11

Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

Paul and the False Apostles

3 But I fear that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your minds may be seduced from a complete and pure devotion to Christ.

2 Chronicles 5

Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

So all the work Solomon did for the Lord ’s temple was completed. Then Solomon brought the consecrated things of his father David—the silver, the gold, and all the utensils—and put them in the treasuries of God’s temple.

Preparations for the Temple Dedication

2 At that time Solomon assembled at Jerusalem the elders of Israel—all the tribal heads, the ancestral chiefs of the Israelites—in order to bring the ark of the covenant of the Lord up from the city of David, that is, Zion. 3 So all the men of Israel were assembled in the king’s presence at the festival; this was in the seventh month.

4 All the elders of Israel came, and the Levites picked up the ark. 5 They brought up the ark, the tent of meeting, and the holy utensils that were in the tent. The priests and the Levites brought them up. 6 King Solomon and the entire congregation of Israel who had gathered around him were in front of the ark sacrificing sheep and cattle that could not be counted or numbered because there were so many. 7 The priests brought the ark of the Lord ’s covenant to its place, into the inner sanctuary of the temple, to the most holy place, beneath the wings of the cherubim. 8 And the cherubim spread their wings over the place of the ark so that the cherubim formed a cover above the ark and its poles. 9 The poles were so long that their ends were seen from the holy place in front of the inner sanctuary, but they were not seen from outside; they are there to this very day. 10 Nothing was in the ark except the two tablets that Moses had put in it at Horeb, [c] where the Lord had made a covenant with the Israelites when they came out of Egypt.

11 Now all the priests who were present had consecrated themselves regardless of their divisions. When the priests came out of the holy place, 12 the Levitical singers dressed in fine linen and carrying cymbals, harps, and lyres were standing east of the altar, and with them were 120 priests blowing trumpets. The Levitical singers were descendants of Asaph, Heman, and Jeduthun and their sons and relatives. 13 The trumpeters and singers joined together to praise and thank the Lord with one voice. They raised their voices, accompanied by trumpets, cymbals, and musical instruments, in praise to the Lord :

For He is good;
His faithful love endures forever.

The temple, the Lord ’s temple, was filled with a cloud. 14 And because of the cloud, the priests were not able to continue ministering, for the glory of the Lord filled God’s temple.

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The Holy Spirit didn't show his presense until THEY MADE MUSIC. The Watchtower doesn't seem to want JWs to enjoy any part of life. Other people are needed and all they can do. Sensory deprivation is part of cult indoctrination. Isolation is part of cult control.

The Watchtower runs a cult, a high-demand group, an organization teaching that one can't even trust other JWs to be good companions. Paranoia, isolation, fear of elders, expulsion from the group for challenging the cult's teachings. Absolute devotion to the cult's ideas makes them your god.

I got out and defeated all their controls and false doctrines. After 42 years I am now a Baptist by the way. I feel OK now.

Yeah.

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According to this article, shouldn't the refusal of blood = suicide?

by MC RubberMallet in

here is the society's view towards suicide:.

what viewpoint does gods word indicate that christians should have toward suicide?.

jehovah as the source of life has decreed that human life is precious, sacred.

FuzzyPaul

Rules, rules, rules.

The "all-wise" Watchtower God is dead.

The WT god can't talk to us personally, they say that is a sign of mental illness.

A WT god can't heal miraculously, they say that is the work of Satan to deceive us - right into saying "Praise God, Thank-you Jesus." The Devil doesn't bless, he destroys every thing.

John 10:10

New International Version (NIV)

The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

The WT god doesn't teach us directly. The WT says we need them and every word written by them must be read, or you're dead.

John 16

Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

The Counselor’s Ministry

5 “But now I am going away to Him who sent Me, and not one of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ 6 Yet, because I have spoken these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. 7 Nevertheless, I am telling you the truth. It is for your benefit that I go away, because if I don’t go away the Counselor will not come to you. If I go, I will send Him to you. 8 When He comes, He will convict the world about sin, righteousness, and judgment: 9 About sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 about righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you will no longer see Me; 11 and about judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.

12 “I still have many things to tell you, but you can’t bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all the truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak whatever He hears. He will also declare to you what is to come. 14 He will glorify Me, because He will take from what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 Everything the Father has is Mine. This is why I told you that He takes from what is Mine and will declare it to you.

The WT god can't make up his mind, back and forth "tacking into the wind."

The WT god has no hands to save. They say to trust them and every word from their Slave class.

Isaiah 48

New International Version (NIV)

22 “There is no peace,” says the Lord , “for the wicked.”

When you get out of the WT you will stop being in turmoil because of them.

Yeah.

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Watchtower and Freemasonry

by mizpah2 in

thanks for the information, .

today by jws themselves and by the general public at large.. the repelling opposition and from mainstream christendom stems from ideologies created most likely from the freemason theologies.. the theological idea that one should congregate in worship in a place that replicates king solomon's temple as a truer.

emulation of where people should worship god (yahweh) as apposed to typically designed churches.. the probable reason also why worshiping centers for the jws are called kingdom halls and not churches.. when j rutherford broke away more less from the ibsa to create the jw organization, the remaining ibsa still used freemason halls to .

FuzzyPaul

Sorry if that seems a little long.

But how does one object to hundreds of false doctrines?

Traditional orthodox and protestant ideas are much closer to the truth. It took me nine months to defeat the salvation by works idea alone.

I feel confident in the validity of many or most traditional Christain beliefs.

The WT contradicts and promotes hatred of traditional Christian Churches. "Christendom" means the domain of Christ, yeah, and they don't want to be any part of Christendom either.

Get it?

Look at http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp The Baptist Faith and Message. The preamble of which states, " That they are statements of religious convictions, drawn from the Scriptures, and are not to be used to hamper freedom of thought or investigation in other realms of life."

Independant (from WT men) thinking. Yeah.

Don't fear a false prophet or the demon dread WT ideas. Demons don't jump out of words into YoUr BrAiN.

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Watchtower and Freemasonry

by mizpah2 in

thanks for the information, .

today by jws themselves and by the general public at large.. the repelling opposition and from mainstream christendom stems from ideologies created most likely from the freemason theologies.. the theological idea that one should congregate in worship in a place that replicates king solomon's temple as a truer.

emulation of where people should worship god (yahweh) as apposed to typically designed churches.. the probable reason also why worshiping centers for the jws are called kingdom halls and not churches.. when j rutherford broke away more less from the ibsa to create the jw organization, the remaining ibsa still used freemason halls to .

FuzzyPaul

I once married into a very prominent family in the Watchtower. My ex-wife's family founded the WT movement in New Haven County, CT. She was a fourth generation JW. I repeatedly heard her mother and uncle (mom's brother) praising the WT for "proving the FREE MASONRY of the Bible." We also had friends that were important members and had lived in the Brooklynn, NY headquarters. They also said the same praise of "proving the FREE MASONRY of the Bible."

"Proving the FREE MASONRY of the Bible" is a quote from at least one of Charles T. Russell's published public lectures. He seemed to indicate that he was also a Free Mason in that lecture but in a way that made me think he was reassuring FM audience members. WHY? I venture to say that he outranked Free Masons. That would be circumstantial evidence of C. Russell's role in the English Global Elite - some call the Illuminati. Others have expressed this conclusion.

Being that the WT has historically referred to "the new system" (their version of the 1000 year reign of Christ) as the "New Order" and the "New World". The Watchtower's offensively worded Bible is named "The New World Translation".

The intro pages of The New World Translation quote Isaiah 65:17 “For I will create a new heaven and a new earth; the past events will not be remembered or come to mind." (Holman) Isaiah 66:22 " “For just as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, will endure before Me” (Holman) — also quoted in 2 Peter 3:13 " But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness." (ASV) and Revelation 21:1 " And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth are passed away; and the sea is no more. " (ASV)

A "New World" : κοσμου καινην - (Gk) does not equate with either part of "New Heaven' and 'New Earth" : " ουρανον καινον και γην καινην" (Gk).

Jesus Christ said, " My kingdom is not of this world,” said Jesus. “If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I wouldn’t be handed over to the Jews. As it is, My kingdom does not have its origin here.” (John 18:36 - Holman)

No Biblical "New World" - that is nonsense and Jesus' Kingdom is NOT of this world or the New World Disorder!

The WT contradicts 2 Peter 3:13 about the destruction of the Earth by fire yet Josephus wrote (Antiquities of the Jews - Book I, CHAPTER 2,.

3. Now Adam, who was the first man, and made out of the earth, (for our discourse must now be about him,) after Abel was slain, and Cain fled away, on account of his murder, was solicitous for posterity, and had a vehement desire of children, he being two hundred and thirty years old; after which time he lived other seven hundred, and then died. He had indeed many other children, (56 total) but Seth in particular. As for the rest, it would be tedious to name them; I will therefore only endeavor to give an account of those that proceeded from Seth. Now this Seth, when he was brought up, and came to those years in which he could discern what was good, became a virtuous man; and as he was himself of an excellent character, so did he leave children behind him who imitated his virtues. All these proved to be of good dispositions. They also inhabited the same country without dissensions, and in a happy condition, without any misfortunes falling upon them, till they died. They also were the inventors of that peculiar sort of wisdom which is concerned with the heavenly bodies, and their order. And that their inventions might not be lost before they were sufficiently known, upon Adam's prediction that the world was to be destroyed at one time by the force of fire, and at another time by the violence and quantity of water, they made two pillars, the one of brick, the other of stone: they inscribed their discoveries on them both, that in case the pillar of brick should be destroyed by the flood, the pillar of stone might remain, and exhibit those discoveries to mankind; and also inform them that there was another pillar of brick erected by them. Now this remains in the land of Siriad to this day.

Saint Peter personally knew this prophecy by that pillar in Siriad. It is literal. Noah's flood ruined the Earth by flood and the loss of the water vapor layer in the thermosphere. The ruin of the Earth by fire is also for the ruin of wicked men but as the Earth continued to exist after the flood, so it will continue to exist after its burning. As men again lived on the Earth after the flood, they will again live on the previously burnt Earth after God has restored it. Rev21:5 (ASV) " And he that sitteth on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he saith, Write: for these words are faithful and true." I heard this taught in my Baptist Church - I am now Baptist. We come back. Noah had to be removed from the Earth's surface or he would drown, all will have to be removed or be burnt, and those saved come back after the Great White Throne Judgment (Rev. 21:11).

The WT can't get it right because they are founded on the previously said, " FREE MASONRY of the Bible." And the WT will not rule ever. Jesus does from Jerusalem, Israel.

My masonic father-in-law believed in re-inarnetion as many Masons do. Their resurrection is actually re-incarnation, a second try in the body. Hebrews 9:27 (HCSB) " And just as it is appointed for people to die once—and after this, judgment" means one chance and this is your only one. Once you die you will await final judgment. All mortal men alive during the 1000 year Earthly reign by Christ Jesus will still be subject to sin and death.

" There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days; for the child shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner being a hundred years old shall be accursed." (Isaiah 65:20)

Masons are usually deists, a hands off God doctrine. The WT teaches that idea. However, God is at work all around us. Jesus got his full authority before he went back to Heaven not like the bogus 1914 WT doctrine. The 1914 doctrine is a WT egotistical fantasy.

Matthew 28:18, 19 records : " Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"

The "therefore" is because He had the authority then.

Masons promote "good deeds." Thats nice but Biblical salvation is because of trust that Jesus paid the full price of our sins. Not by, with, through or due to any man-determined works agenda. A WT type non biblical "faith" has works which are just an acted out set of DOs.

Why do you think Apostle Paul told the Ephesians, chapter the 2:8-10 " For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift— not from works, so that no one can boast. For we are His creation, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared ahead of time so that we should walk in them."

God expects us to always do good things to others - charitably like. But, trusting in our works places faith in ourselves and our ability to perform for ultimate salvation. What, Jesus blood isn't enough? Trusting in Jesus death is the only thing we are, and can be, expected to do. His name means "Anointed Saviour", which is why we are to trust "in his name" that he is what his name says he is. Even the ability to have faith is a gift from God.

Accept that idea, say thanks for such a gift, go, be happy.

They, the Watchtower - Russell to today's GB, ARE false prophets, liars, and not "the truth" in any sense. Because of the previously mentioned agenda to "prove the Free Masonry of the Bible" they can't get it correct. I respect men who are masons. I think they were hijacked by Russell's real organization. Ex-illuminatti members report that they called themselves "the organization." Sound familiar?

Have a happy day. Blondie, the illuminatti are not actually Free Masons therefore Russell and the Russell illumnatti blood line will not be recorded in Masonic records. Hope you are doing well.

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Oh No!!! A Witness saw me buying a Christmas tree

by will_the_apostate in

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doing the black friday shopping with the family and we were picking up one of those nice prelit fake trees and standing right next to me was a local brother who i had grown up with staring at me.

i just smiled my biggest apostate smile and walked away... i wonder if the elders will call on me soon..

FuzzyPaul

christmas is not a pagan holiday because Jesus is not a pagan god. the other junk is just local celebrations that imprinted on the actual observance of the visit of the magi.