Posts by FuzzyPaul

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My wife got very nervous about me being on this sight

by recovering in

my wife walked in while i was on this site.

she saw the header jehovahs witness.

net and exclaimed what are you doing, you are going to be brainwashed.

FuzzyPaul

Dear recovering,

This site is about free speech. JWs, ex-JWs, non-JWs, studying with JWs, anti JWs - they are all here and agree to hear each other decently. There is no free speech in the WT.

Researching the flag salute court cases the Watchtower fought I learned that free speech has four components and all must be allowed for speech to be free.

Free speech means that one can say what one wishes (some limits apply).
Free speech means that one can not be forced to say something (pledge of allegiance) or anything, including testifying against oneself or qualifying family.
It also means that one is free to listen to others speaking even if some strongly dissent.
AND one can not be forced to listen to others ( a form of mental false imprisonment ).

The Watchtower won a valuable right ( somebody said how this was a great service to democracy) but denies the components of it to members.

The devil is only a fallen angel. The Holy Spirit lives within us. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit and he is irresistable. John wrote that he that is in us is greater than he that is in the world. Demons aren't going to pop out of a page and take us over but that is how many feel, I did. The Holy Spirit has taught me a lot about the evils propagated in the Watchtower by reading you all here.

Enjoy,

Paul

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My experience with the JW's and more...I'll try to make it short.

by ConnieD29 in

well i guess the thing to do here is to kinda tell your story so that is what i'm going to attempt to here.

even though it makes me a bit nervous.. my experience with the jehovah's witnesses was short compared to lots of people here.

i was only involved for about 3 yrs.

FuzzyPaul

Dear ConnieD29,

Welcome, telling your story is cathartic - good for the soul. I wonder if your experience in the Watchtower caused the , pardon this, mental imbalance. I hope it is agreeable that I meant that respectfully. You said :

"so being the "good Christian girl" I had to marry him because we had sex.....stupid"

and that after being raped. Michelle, a really good friend of mine I knew from quick-builds started dating George. Three months later they were getting married because she had to set a good example to the younger ones. Next quick-build year after getting married she was severely changed for the worse. She told me she had never been so un-happy and looked it. Totally trashed emotionally. The part of trying to be something that makes one seem "Good" is the issue. Yesterday I posted that the Watchtower focuses on visible results.

The Church I attend (I was a JW for 45 years) is "come as you are". The JWs would have a field day with video of us. Sunday night 6pm I have seen people look like they just got back from the beach and had put a cover-up on. BUT they were there, worshiped, learned, loved. I could not imagine going to another church, they are so like family that I call them that. Many do dress-up but it doesn’t matter here.

Worship to me is the part of the service where we tell God we love him, singing, response, prayer. The pastor's message is God telling us of his love for us. As a JW I thought the idea of Christian worship was confused, its not, its free. I can ask to sing a song on stage, one from current Christian radio or a 250 year old hymn. We propose Discipleship classes, various activities, its our church. The Church is us.

Pastor Greg was raised a PK (pastors kid) and did all the Church ministries. Then one day an older fellow asked him if he had a personal relationship with JESUS. Whoa. He stopped everything and re-evaluated. Christianity is not a religion, it is a relationship. A relationship based on love, not judgment, rule lists, technicalities, you know a check list . Folks here are very prayer oriented, decent, honorable, spiritual. We have rules we just don’t pull out yardsticks. Some of my friends can’t become deacons because they had divorced and were remarried. That is one of Apostle Paul’s rules, we live it but nobody has a stack of dossiers in a file cabinet on everyone. The WT does that.

Free your conscience, you knew that the partiers were up to no good and your mention of it meant it was an issue. You weren’t comfortable being worldly. I am glad, you are desirous of being a decent person. Partiers are competitive with how they score on the party hardy scale. JW’s have a “theocratic behavior” competition. Placements, hours, what talk level one is doing.

Being free and being a partner with Jesus, pleasing to him is a relationship. God love you, and blessings.

Fuzzy Paul

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CO spins the continuous faithful and discreet slave doctrine - explaining how ONE GENERATION OF SLAVE FED ANOTHER for 1900 years!

by LUKEWARM in

here are my notes from his service talk theme:.

isa 65:3 = we live in a rich spiritual paradise (isa 65:3).

what is the history of the faithful and discreet slave?.

FuzzyPaul

It should matter that many a minimizing of Jesus has been propagated.

Jesus is called god by the most eloquent of the NT writers.

Hebrews 1: 5 - 9

The Son Superior to Angels

For to which of the angels did He ever say, You are My Son; today I have become Your Father, or again, I will be His Father, and He will be My Son ? When He again brings His firstborn into the world, He says, And all God's angels must worship Him. And about the angels He says:

He makes His angels winds,

and His servants a fiery flame;but about the Son:

Your throne, O God

and the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of justice.

You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;

this is why God, Your God, has anointed You,

rather than Your companions, with the oil of joy.

Hebrews 3: 7 - 11

the Holy Spirit says

Today, if you hear His voice,

do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,

on the day of testing in the desert,

where your fathers tested Me, tried [ Me ],

and saw My works for 40 years.

Therefore I was provoked with this generation

and said, "They always go astray in their hearts,

and they have not known My ways."

So I swore in My anger,"They will not enter My rest.

Then Hebrews states:

"of the Messiah ... it is said" , "that they would not enter His rest" ,

Then Hebrews ch4 reads :

So I swore in My anger,

they will not enter My rest.

And yet His works have been finished since the foundation of the world, 4 for somewhere He has spoken about the seventh day in this way:

And on the seventh day .

God rested from all His works

The Holy spirit said, then the Messiah said, then of God we read that he said the same thing about a "rest". Father < Son < Holy Spirit. Tri-une God. Three persons but they comprise one God.

In Acts 2 Peter makes his case for Jesus quoting a scripture about Yahweh and applying it to Jesus. Don't get all foofy about it just look at what it says there. Use another translation than the NWT. Holman Christian Standard Bible is my preferred but New Living Translation is good, The Amplified is good too. See them all at Biblegateway.com.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%201&version=HCSB

Jesus is called god "Mighty God" (Is. 9) (John1) ..., is worshipped (Mt 28), And in Hebrews the Messiah is god and in many other places. Just read the words. The Holman CSB has topical headings which greatly help understand the change of thought in the argument and what are OT quotes and so-on.

So, a great spirit becomes bound up in an embryo and grows into a man the Messiah. The same great spirit that created the universe and sustains it by his word. (Heb. 1: 2,3) God incarnated part of himself that created the universe and that miracle is deemed not possible for God to become a man and still be God to be worshipped as Hebrews reads?

Well, logically it is complex that God is a mediator with God for us by the words of the Holy Spirit attributed to God but so what? Just read what it says.

Fuzzy Paul

: , is forever and ever,

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Watchtower cleans out Kingdom Hall Library's ...

by RR in

last night i got a call from a chap in the uk, who recently left the jw's.

he wanted to compare notes with his us counterparts.. he said that a few years ago, (i think about 2 years ago) the society cleaned out all the literature from every kingdom hall, particularly russell and rutherford books and anything prior to 1950. giving each hall a computer with the watchtower cd rom for them to use for research.

he wanted to know if the same was done in the states.

FuzzyPaul

I know, this is eight days too late. The KH I attended up till 4 years ago removed the library from a public area to the room previously used for storage and accessable only from an exterior door.

I am never going back and the longer I remain out the better I feel. I love being a Baptist. They are a family. Members of my kinfolk keep leaving and have joined me. We pray them out and into Church. All things are accomplished by prayer not by us.

Loving Regards,

Fuzzy

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Does God need an Organization on earth today?

by wannabe in

does god need an organization on earth today?.

the word of the lord from jerusalem.

because he is jehovah's organization on earth today, right now!

FuzzyPaul

Howdy Wannabe,

Respectfully, you write like a Watchtower editor. Since I spent 45 years in the WT I can say that having learned from the GB at New York Conventions in the 60's lasting 6,7,8 days from 9am to 9pm.

The broaching of this subject indicates that you still feel under their control and have to argue the WT shackles off you. All this chatter to break the backbone of a miserable failed publishing corp. Stand - back - and - look - at - them. They all work for that War tower symbol. They see God in their buildings, works, litter-free zones, shaved faces, book bag, jacket and tie - IN EFFECT from the mandates of the GB. Proud in being visibly under the control of an association with a legislative body and their dictates.

You have no WT provided shackles that you didn’t put on yourself.

You ask a rhetorical question and then : answer it!!!!!!! Seems WT to me.

The other critical notion I make is this. Look at the response that the Holy Spirit could give you when you don’t think he can reach anyone asking for wisdom. So, God’s arm is too short for you?

You wrote:

" Reasonably now! What Member of any of the Mainline Religions, of this entire World could guide us into all truth? Even more! Reveal what is to occur in the future? I'll answer that! Absolutely none of them! Why not? They do not possess the Holy Spirit, is why not! Jesus told us very clearly that they could not accept the Holy Spirit! That they didn't see him, or know him. One more to cement my reasoning: "

There are too many qualifications for each statement.

Example: What Member ----- of any ------ of the Mainline ------ Religions, ------ of this entire World ------ could ------ guide us ------ into all truth?

There are 8 qualifications given in my quickie analysis. Get real, OK?

Think chess. Jesus has the white pieces and moves the one he needs to when he wants to. He uses all the pieces as needed. They are all indispensable. He removes any opposing pieces he wishes to. The traditional Christian religions and Rabbinic sages got it together long before the Grand Council proposed “proving the free-masonry of the Bible” via Russell. Then the WT was taken over by a LAWYER. The WT has Circuit and District overseers like the state courts have circuit and district judges above them with the GB as supreme court.

One of the WT books I threw out had a four page argument claiming a visible organization is a plain teaching of scripture. It was convoluted, complicated, and not plain. Jews have had no organization. Everyone was to follow the Mosaic law. Judgments made due to it were judgments not new legislation.

In Church I hear the Bible read and expounded upon by an educated individual. (Can you hear WT bias attack that reality?) The Holy Spirit guides people (Priests, Pastors, Elders, Presbyters, Deacons, men, women all included). Jesus died for people. The writings of Apostle Paul indicate forcefully that the Israelite people are going to be tops again. Our promises are guaranteed because theirs are. Spiritualizing stuff is so bogus and arbitrary. That said, I would pay attention to how matters work out for Israel the nation of the people of that land PROMISED TO THEM FOR ALL POSTERITY.

Free your conscience. Attend mass or any church. Observe. Don't let culture shock stop you. Mormons and Christian Science are based on free-masonry like the WT so don't go there.

And Jesus parable of the rich man in Hades instructs us to obey Moses and the Prophets so as to stay out of Hades torments. Get it?

Fuzzy

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CO spins the continuous faithful and discreet slave doctrine - explaining how ONE GENERATION OF SLAVE FED ANOTHER for 1900 years!

by LUKEWARM in

here are my notes from his service talk theme:.

isa 65:3 = we live in a rich spiritual paradise (isa 65:3).

what is the history of the faithful and discreet slave?.

FuzzyPaul

Cameo-d,

What do televangelists have to do with it? An evangelist is an evangelist, the anti-christian chatter is notable. Get real, get Jesus. There is no salvation in any other name. He is The Way and The Truth and The Life.

Look what they've done to my song ma, look what they've done to my song. The only thing I could do half right and its turning out all wrong ma, look what they've done to my song. - a 60's song

When the truth is found to be lies
and all the joy within you dies
don't you want somebody to love
don't you need somebody to love
wouldn't you love somebody to love
you better find somebody to love - Jefferson airplane

Best wishes,

Paul

Not some WT org

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CO spins the continuous faithful and discreet slave doctrine - explaining how ONE GENERATION OF SLAVE FED ANOTHER for 1900 years!

by LUKEWARM in

here are my notes from his service talk theme:.

isa 65:3 = we live in a rich spiritual paradise (isa 65:3).

what is the history of the faithful and discreet slave?.

FuzzyPaul

Cameo-d I PMed you tonight. Are you a night owl or do you live in Europe where the day is light? The WT is not my concern anymore, just to help people get out with reason and sanity. They have incredible powers of mind control. I don't care about their latest "New Light" v. 109.21 Beta version. It is only of interest to my if I can help someone see the fallacy of it.

The best C.O. I ever met told me privately that the brothers were the greatest threat he knew. Even a C.O. trying to be a good man is a victim of the culture in the org.

I got blacklisted for knowing and teaching too much truth. My comments in WT studies contradicted the thoughts presented when they were flawed. I knew the WT better than most any of them. It is shit. Quit touching the unclean thing.

Paul

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CO spins the continuous faithful and discreet slave doctrine - explaining how ONE GENERATION OF SLAVE FED ANOTHER for 1900 years!

by LUKEWARM in

here are my notes from his service talk theme:.

isa 65:3 = we live in a rich spiritual paradise (isa 65:3).

what is the history of the faithful and discreet slave?.

FuzzyPaul

I like Agnus remark,

"I mean, this is like trying to build a particle accelerator out of Jell-O."

They state ideas with factual names and such and spin a fiction with themselves as the star protagonists.

The Catholic Church, Greek and Russian Orthodox, Ethiopian Christian church, and Jews throughout history have carried the torch of truth. The WT is run by Christian haters and Jew haters. When Israel became a nation in 1948 the Zionism promoted by Russell was opposed since that establishment of Israel was evidenced by miracles and appearances of angels from G-D. "Nominally Christian churches" is the most polite reference to traditional Christianity I ever read in any WT lit.

I go to Mass Saturday at 4pm and find incredible peace in my soul there. I attend Baptist church the rest of the week as they are my family. If you are still in the WT you don't know how wrong they are. Baptists have Lifeway literature. Better than any WT or AW. Books by Perry Stone, Jeffrey Grant, Blackaby, Beth Moore are awesome and excellent messages of truth and come from a heart at peace not at war. Our daily bread is better than any daily text of self deification. The yearbook is creative fiction with real persons lives portrayed.

My son has friends every day at Cornerstone Baptist. He gets Sunday school, studies, weekend Discipleship Now camp, basketball camp, summer camp, mission trips to Alabama and abroad. I had a few acquaintances as a youth.

The time between Assys is ridiculously long to meet your friends since you're not really allowed any outside your own hall - no bowling parties, dances, pic-nics with a mixed group of JWs from where-ever, ooh and make sure you bring an elder if there are more than 10.

I have so much and so little time to explain but read some of my recent posts and go to a Baptist service or similar for a rush of real Christianity. The culture shock might throw you but its real Christianity and free from the "No choir" "no nothing that looks like Catholic / Protestant practice" and "no terms from C/P practice" persecution and stranglehold of mind and conscience.

Jesus is the only road and your only support.

Blessings to all you and search deep within your heart if you are actually comfortable with WT lies and deceptions. That it all most of it is. I have more than enough truth and I know the authors by name. Read the Baptist Faith and Message available online. Its 1000 plus scripture references and minimal explanations make for a solid case that it is based on scripture not creative "logic".

PM me if you want to know more about going to Church after 45 years in the Watchtower and being raised a JW from age 2. It is OK. The demons won't invade you. Nothing can curse what God blesses.

Blessings and regards,

Paul

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Frustrated with JW Bible study!

by ElizabethTravers in

i am new 2 this forum.. i have been meeting up with 2 jw ladies on a weekly basis.

it has all been "polite".

today we covered a bit of the trinity.. i had read rhodes book on reasoning from the scriptures with jw's, but i found almost all my arguments that i used, in terms of every bible verse we went through (or i attempted to go through with them) went pear shape!

FuzzyPaul

Elizabeth,

Ask, What is God? That is, what does the term mean? What does the term "worship" mean? In the Bible's use Jesus is termed "GOD".

The passage quoted by Peter on Pentecost displays that Peter equated Jehovah with Jesus. In John, Jesus thanks his father that the father gave him, Jesus, HIS NAME. The name is it - it's meaning is what it is all about.

At the end of Matthew Jesus says "All authority in Heaven and on Earth has been given to me," NOT IN 1874, 1914, 1915, 1925, 1975 or any other date. AT THE TIME OF HIS ASCENTION HE HAD ALL AUTHORITY ALREADY. He then says, because he had all authority, "Therefore go and preach ...." His authority gave him the personal ability to command the process of spreading the gospel. 1 Corinthians says that Jesus rules until he ends all the effects of sin and Satanic rule. Jesus has had 100% of all authority since his ascension and keeps it until the thousand years is over and the great judgement occurs. Which great judgement happens AFTER the thousand years is over, after Satan is released and then cast into the Lake of Fire.

The Watchtower's resurrection during the thousand years has NO SUPPORT in scripture. They say that the second resurrection happens during "the thousand year judgement day". Pure rubbish. It happens after. Hebrews states, "It has been appointed for all men to die once and after that a judgement." ONE chance to side with GOD and his ways. THe Watchtower's resurrection is actually re-incarnation. In reincarnation one comes back to another life to finish the work of being perfected - "Reaching Nirvana" to some minds.

If one is resurrected from unconscious non-existance to stand before the Judgement Seat of God after which some are condemned, only to be sent back to a state of unconscience non-existeance is nonsense. What point is there to wake you up, tell you that you are unworthy of eternal life and then to be returned to unconscious non-existance. Soul is NOT the BODY. All the scriptures stating body, soul, mind , strength, spirit in any combination would have redundant terms. We are a mechanical body with a zest for enjoyment of life which is our soul and containing a spirit which spirit is immortal. Plato wrote in The Republic, "gymnastics is for the body like music is for the soul." Download The Republic from M.I.T. or any other site and search it for "Soul". A word is defined by its usage and its usage meant to most any Greek speaker and reader just that - love of life, enjoyment of life. We are not just a physical machine. "Soul" is used to describe physical life, emotional life, spiritual life, disembodied state, it believes, loves, loves the Lord, seeks the Lord, serves the Lord, has fleshly lusts, has physical appetite, sins, desires evil but is purified by obedience. ( As taken from Strong's on page 192 of the section entitled "Universal Subject Guide To The Bible.")

We are made in God's image. A spirit with a form to operate through. Nothing else makes as much sense. Hell would then be considered plausible from the view of Jesus parable of the Rich man in Hades, and other references. Gehenna is a term understood to mean more than the town dump. Josephus wrote a treatise on the Jewish belief in Hell contradicting many of the Greek thoughts on Hell or Hades. Hades, the God, never released his captive dead from Hades the place. Paul said that there would be a return of all from the place Hades to stand before a Judge from God which idea was not allowed in Greek thought. Read Josephus on that subject. Josephus wrote about 70 years after Jesus left. Jesus parable of The Rich Man In Hades would have been understood in the context of prevailing thought. That Hades is a place where the person exists after death of the body. That there is torment in some parts and worse torments in some of those parts. That is what people by and large believed. He did not contradict those thoughts like he contradicted prevailing thoughts in The Sermon On The Mount.

(The Watchtower's teachings on Hell were not originated by any of them. Their beliefs are from an essay by Thomas Baldwin Thayer which predates them. Such a long essay deserves an answer. Any doctrine of a hundred scriptures which is disprovable by any other one scripture is flawed and fails. Examination of THE TERMS, and word meanings to a person of the time when such thoughts were written is an absolute must. Hell and an eternal spirit easily fit into many passages from the death of the patriarchs in Genesis to Jesus preaching to the spirits in prison while he was in the grave. Peter wrote that.)

In The Sermon On The Mount he taught that: you heard that it was said that you should hate your enemies but don't do that, LOVE your enemies, show them kindness, care, pray for them. Do Jehovah's Witnesses as taught by the Watchtower pray for their enemies? Or care for them kindly? Such blessing in prayer is almost forbidden to a WT follower. I never heard it happen. Nor did I ever hear them pray, as comanded by Apostle Paul, for the "King" at any time in any way in any meeting, assembly, convention, or group setting. Rather the Watchtower plainly teaches one to Hate, just like David wrote that he hated his and GOD's enemies. Jesus taught a new way, to love not hate those enemies. The Watchtower plainly taught how they preferred hatred.

I pray for those who read this website. To leave the Watchtower and come to Jesus for salvation. There is no salvation in any one else, no other name has been given by which we must be saved. I pray for the effectiveness of the words that explain real truth. Jesus is The Truth - he said so. I pray for a change of mind for those who are still in the Watchtower, it is a long road out doctrinally, emotionally, to a new self-identity.

All their actions contradicts the fruitage of the spirit which is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, self-control. A tree produces fruit according to its kind. A tree cannot choose what its fruit will be. God's spirit indwells one and one then has no choice - his behaviours are the fruitage of the Spirit of GOD. Those attributes can not be practiced consciously as if a behaviour could cause one to have God's spirit. God's spirit gives us ITS fruitage it is not our fruitage.

Wow, I have so many ideas proving the Watchtower wrong I can't stand it. I should write an essay and put it online at Randy Watter's site, Freeminds.

Regards,

Fuzzy Paul

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Frustrated with JW Bible study!

by ElizabethTravers in

i am new 2 this forum.. i have been meeting up with 2 jw ladies on a weekly basis.

it has all been "polite".

today we covered a bit of the trinity.. i had read rhodes book on reasoning from the scriptures with jw's, but i found almost all my arguments that i used, in terms of every bible verse we went through (or i attempted to go through with them) went pear shape!

FuzzyPaul

Dear Elizabeth ,

You are in a favorable position having a resource that guides you through the false reasonings of the Watchtower. Russell never had a goal of restoring the Christianity of the Bible. He stated that he wanted "To prove the Free-Masonry of the Bible." I was a JW from age 3 in 1962 to 2006. I have heard that several times from persons in a family with over a hundred year history in the WT and others so I know its true. That was something I noted but thought was spurious at the time.

When I learned that the Watchtower joined the United Nations - something they absolutely swore they would never do and those who did were spoken against in the harshest of terms - I could not believe it. I said to my wife, well that does it, the Watchtower is being run by the Free Masons now! I think the UN is another org to control the World and the Masons are all over it. Oops. The lost dog found his way home.

I had great diffi-cult-y unlearning some ideas. My mentor, a retired seminary prof, was batting 300 during my first studies with him and now bats 950. Christendom mostly has it correct. (Christendom is a derogatory term to a JW but means the domain of Christ - like kingdom is a king's domain - so what is wrong with being in Christ's domain?)

A name is given by God to indicate something about that individual. God changed Abram's name to Abraham when he was promised to be the Father of many great nations. Joshua, Moses successor, name means "Saviour". So does "Jesus" which is the Greek version of Yehoshua. Isaiah 9 says that the messiah would be called "God with us" and would be called mighty God, eternal father, wonderful counselor, prince of peace. That prophecy means Jesus would be called "Mighty God". Just like JWs say - he is a mighty god not almighty therefore ... but that is a distraction (like Leodardo says in Catch Me If You Can, pinstripes), the point Isaiah was making is that HE WOULD BE CALLED ...GOD!

The Catholic Church was especially hated by the WT in Russell's time and still is because the Catholic Church forbid one to be a Free-Mason. They misrepresent traditional doctrines shared by Catholic and Protestant groups. The differences are mostly in FORM of WORSHIP not substance in teachings.

During the Catholic Mass one recites :

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day he rose agin in fulfillment of the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.

That is so theologically sound and undeniable that it takes misrepresentation, twisted editing, obscure sources of dubious authority, rhetoric, to discredit.

One should review the Missal which has the standard parts of the mass in the front of the book and the content of each day's mass for the year. The Sunday mass has three long readings with an exposition on one. All I hear in Catholic services is Jesus Christ being taught, the Bible being taught and well at that, and God being honored above all. I hear very little self praise unlike the constant self-glorifying of the Watchtower.

I am a Southern Baptist. The difference is in governance of each independent congregation. The Southern Baptist Convention exists to pool resources to run Children's homes, support missionaries, and so-on. It is not a dictating, controlling, doctrine producing entity. We use it, it doesn't use or run us. The doctrine of Southern Baptists, and most all of the other Baptists, is found in the "Baptist Faith and Message" a small fold out tract sized document with over a thousand scriptures referenced. Google it, it is online.

The Baptist Faith and Message has none of the misleading filler found in Watchtower books to minimize the import of the Bible on a subject. The Watchtower leans heavily on their own words, even to the point of starting a quote of a Bible passage, closing the quotation marks inserting the WT idea, then reopening the quotation finishing the original passage's quote.

Over and over there are hundreds of Watchtower twists to the Bible's message. BUT THE BIGGEST WATCHTOWER ERROR is that they teach Salvation by Works. "Faith without works is dead." Faith produces good works, deeds, actions, behaviours. Works, deeds, actions, behaviours are external and can-not produce faith. An actor playing Hamlet is not Hamlet. He does not become what he acts out. Ephesians 2:8,9 has the greatest contradiction to WT version salvation. "Through no works of our own."

Love to all, Paul