Posts by Geronimo

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updated web site SUBLIMINAL ART WT

by artcritic in

we have updated this site on request.

we are open to constructive criticism.

thanks for looking.

Geronimo

I haver to admit that is one wicked looking Jesus with the crowley symbol. That is supposed to be Jesus, right? The rest of it seems a bit farfetched to me. G

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YORRW congregation - 'The Report'

by yaddayadda in

anyone read the report book on this website: .

http://www.livingwatersforum.com/bcommentary/index.php .

yadda

Geronimo

Hi,
Actually, the name is YORWW Congregation ...not YORRW. But thanks again for the mention.
The Name YORWW stands for, "Yah Our Righteousness" World Wide, taken from Jeremiah 33:16 and Psalms 68:4.
Since I've been associated with the YORWW Bible Movement for the last 15 years, I can assure you...there is no "evil" associated with it at all. Just some well-publicized controversial viewpoints that challenge the biblical scholarship of many "weak-minded" JWs, and long-standing traditional standards set by the "old guard" of religious-christian belief. History tells of course, when a religious viewpoint presented is new, fresh and UNFAMILIAR to the general populous, it always tend to "ruffle the feathers" of the less-informed, who dutifully make it their business to attempt to leave the "stain" of contempt upon any (members of the YORWW and those interested like-minded ones) who sincerely aspire for something greater in their spiritual lives, biblically-speaking, yes beyond the wicked Watchtower Society and their 6-million most pitiable adherents (like "Thirdwitness)...as amply demonstrated ON A DAILY BASIS for all to see... on this particular discussion board and others around the world.
As mentioned, the LWF website [www.livingwatersforum.com] and the CE Discussion board [www.crossingeuphrates.com], are closed to the general public. This is because both boards are respectively set up as PRIVATE INSTRUCTION FACILITIES...for a very specialized audience who today possess the Biblical wherewithall and spiritual prowess to handle the material and subject matter, and who are willing to an earnest effort to "see" or make the mental connections of this most challenging message, which has been asserted by the YORWW for approaching to 2 decades now, among Jehovah's witnesses. (The message and the book itself, "The Report" has been around since the early 1990s, being made available on the net and bookstores for years now.)
Therefore, in short, because of the nature of the biblical message, the "Report" (Isa. 53:1; John 12:38; Ezekiel 21:7, 8) -- the faint of heart, nor the hopelessly stupid from among JWs [like Thirdwitness] or NON Beroean-like from among JWs... simply, need not apply.
However, for those even mildly-interested in getting a general concise overview of the beliefs and teachings of the YORWW, please see the following link:
http://livingwatersforum.com/report1.html
...for all others...please carry on.
Hope this helps...peace
bjc

I eat lightning and shit thunder. G

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evolution awake

by DannyBloem in

jw
friends

i went to kingdom hall today and they had the latest awake for me about evolution.. i guess my kingdom hall is a bit late maybe as i have seen others which had this awake already.

on the first hand it wasn't that bad as i had expected it.

not as bad as the latest creation book anyway.. is there any review done on the artikels here?.

Geronimo

Among my people there are stories of talking snakes and coyotes. Brother bear at one time also spoke with man. Yes, there is far more sense here than in evolution. G

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Name just one belief, that automatically people will think you're a JW

by JH in

jw
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i will live forever on paradise earth.

Geronimo

"No blood pudding for me, thanks."

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The JW Borg: An Image For Your Archives

by V in

Geronimo

OUTRAGEOUSLY grand! I laughed out loud! G

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Could this really be the TRUTH?

by purplesofa in

an explanation of the genesis account

this is from a friend of mine that is not a baptised jw.

he was raised by a jw mother, unbelieving father.

Hello PurpleSofa and DanTheMan. I confess to a pleasant surprise that the post was received in a positive manner. You are more than welcome PurpleSofa, and I am deeply glad you are able to derive some comfort in the matter of the suicide of your brother. Your doctor is a compassionate being. Dan, yes, I agree, it's difficult. Very difficult. G

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Could this really be the TRUTH?

by purplesofa in

an explanation of the genesis account

this is from a friend of mine that is not a baptised jw.

he was raised by a jw mother, unbelieving father.

Geronimo

"Free Will" is one of the most cherished of human dogmas. Despite overwhelming evidence from genetics and every branch of science that we are completely predetermined--as is every other part of the physical universe—many humans insist upon clinging to this unfounded dogma. They mistakenly believe this dogma is necessary to their happiness, when in fact it adds to their misery and to the misery of all humanity.

For example, mental illness—even in these "enlightened" times—is looked upon as a defect in character, as a "choice" the mentally ill person has made to be mentally ill!

Many people shun the handicapped because of a secret loathing, a loathing stemming from a false belief that the handicapped person somehow deserved to be born that way or—even more nonsensical—chose to be born that way. Millions of overweight and obese individuals hate themselves and their bodies because society has convinced them they're fat by choice, when in fact obesity is both a genetic and environmental factor. Hundreds of millions of gay individuals are made to feel loathsome, being told they "chose" to be gay, when in actuality gayness is genetic. Predetermined. Every character flaw that we have is looked upon as a choice of free will by nearly all Americans, when in actuality such "flaws" are the result of our genetics or our environment, or both, and hence not a choice at all.

Take a moment with me and let's put on our thinking caps and examine this free will dogma a bit more closely. Did you choose your parents? Did you choose the genetic features that you would inherit? Did you choose your eyesight and the color of your eyes and hair or voice or height? Did you choose the personalities of your parents that you would inherit? Did you choose their parenting styles and skills? Did you choose where they would raise you? In what house or apartment you would be raised? The cuisine you would consume? Did you choose your siblings? Did you choose your school? Did you choose what children you would have available as associates? Did you choose your teachers? Did you choose the curriculum you would have to study? Did you choose the myriad of cultural influences that would shape you, such as religion, language, race? How about television, radio, movies, commercials? Did you of your "own free will" create this earth with its multitude of physical laws by which you are bound? Did you choose your genetic propensities for various activities, such as being good at music or sports?

Here is an easy-to-understand example of how genetics and environment control whom and what we are: Suppose one is born into a primitive pre industrial society of goat-herders. One has been born with a talent for mathematics far greater than the world has ever seen. Yet, because of the environment, that genetic ability will never be developed beyond the need for counting goats. So I ask…

Does your "free will" enable you to make a decision that, "Henceforth I do not need to breathe, nor drink, nor eat, nor sleep! I choose gravity to no longer bind me. I freely choose to live forever and to fly through space and time like Superman." Or are you as bound by these laws as anyone else? Obviously, then, if "free will" exists at all, it is a very minor thing, it's sphere of freedom being very tiny indeed! So small as to not be relevant in anything that went into determining anything about you, because your genetics and environment were completely out of your hands. The more you ponder all the causes and conditions that went into making you "you" the more evident it becomes that you are a predetermined being by genetics and environment, and are further constricted by the myriad physical laws of the universe.

The simple fact, difficult especially for Americans to comprehend because Americans in general shun thinking in difficult critical terms—preferring instead knee-jerk reactions—is that free will is simply not possible. In order for our wills to be truly free, they would have to be outside the chain of cause-and-effect, or else will is not truly free. If will has a cause, then it is merely an effect, and is therefore not truly free. If we remove will from the chain of cause and effect—which we must or else will is not free—then will becomes an effect without a cause. There are no effects without causes. Such a notion is nonsensical, an oxymoron, just as is speaking of a square circle or frozen fire.
The moment you admit that anything limits or determines or directs a choice, it has ceased to be free. I reiterate: In order to be free, truly free and not just seemingly free, will must be completely detached from the chain of cause-and-effect. Will then becomes and effect without a cause; something idiotic, just as idiotic as Superman flying without a motor and the laws of aerodynamics. In other words, it enters the realm of fantasy, for that is what "free will" is. It's a comic-book fantasy. Yes, there are cause-and effect reasons why this fantasy is found in many cultures, though far from all. Most of the world's cultures, from antiquity to the present., recognize that human will is not free, being as predetermined as any other facet of nature.

Rather then being dis-empowering, as many people fear, accepting the reality of cause-and-effect is empowering! Exorcising the spook of "free will" from ones mind frees one to accept oneself as one is! I can hear an angry person say, "I'll prove to you my will is free! I'll jump up and down on one foot and sing The Star Spangled Banner backwards!" Again, let's put on our thinking caps and analyze this scenario. What is it in the background, upbringing, and genetics of this person that caused them to react negatively to cause and effect? What genetic and environmental factors gave them a rash temperament and irrational mindset? Where did they get the unusual ability to sing backwards? What are the factors that caused them to formulate their challenge in the form of jumping up and down on one foot? Or singing the Star Spangled Banner? Surely if they had been born in another culture, such as a Taoist, Hindu, or Buddhist culture, they would already understand that everything is part of the chain of cause-and-effect and there would be no inner turmoil or inability to accept the reality of cause-and-effect. Or, if they did, their song of choice would not be The Star Spangled Banner, but another national anthem.

The more one takes the time to analyze all the causes and conditions that go into the "choices" we make, the more we see that we are in fact links in an infinitely complex chain of cause-and-effect, with no more freedom than anything else. Also, the more we will see how limited our "choices" are by the laws of the universe. Astronauts do not get up in the morning and make a "free choice" that they will ascend into outer space without a rocket and space ship!

The more one carefully and thoroughly analyzes the free will phantom the more insubstantial it becomes until it finally fades away entirely, to be replaced by the liberating understanding of cause-and-effect. Yes, whether or not one is able to perceive and receive this fact is already predetermined. The entire cosmos and every event, thought, feeling, emotion in it was determined at the moment of the Big Bang when all the physical laws of nature came into existence and began to inexorably unfold the cosmic drama, just like an incomprehensibly gigantic domino display. A cosmic drama that you are a part of, just as everyone and everything is!

So, relax and rest in this knowledge. Accept yourself. Even if that means accepting the fact that you cannot accept yourself!

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What does it really mean? "To be, "no part of the world?"

by acadian in

"to be, "no part of the world?

after comparing romans 13:1-7 , john 15: 18-21, james 4:4, what do you think it means to be "no part of the world"?

let's say paul was telling the church at romans 13: 1-7, "be subject to the secular government," which at that time was the roman empire.

Geronimo

Hi Acadian. I'm assuming you still believe the Bible in some way and to some extent? If so, my answer is I DON'T KNOW. If you no longer believe the Bible in any way or to any extent, my reply is I DON'T CARE. I'm teasing of course. Either way, I do care what you think and feel or I wouldn't be frequenting this board. In my own life, being no part of the world has always been to step apart from the herd (except for my stint as a JW), question authority, question science, question politics and politicians and economists and everybody. To be as critical in my thinking as my limited intellect allows. To always be open to new ideas, to change, if new information warrants it. (It often does) I don't follow fads and pop culture. I listen to the music I like, which is a very broad spectrum. Same with movies and other forms of entertainment, including the arts. If the culture at large is "into" something, then I'm likely to be nowhere around. Clothing, choice of car, job, everything. I am repelled by the herd. Utterly.

In the context of the Bible, I honestly don't think there is an answer. There were just too many people not only involved in wiriting these books but editing and enlarging them as well. One can find support for almost anything in the Bible. There will be as many answers to your question as there are respondents. Everyting be irie mon. G

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Revised Letter to my Mother--Possibly the LONGEST in history...

by Confession in

i posted another version of this a few months back.

at the time i asked for comments on it, and subsequently ignored almost everything anyone told me.

" others recommended a differet tone.

Geronimo

“Education teaches you how to think. Propagandists tell you what to think. True educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion. Propagandists hammer hard on their view and discourage discussion… But even educated, sophisticated persons fall prey to a very unfair and untrue type of propaganda. This type assumes a superior air of dismissal of an opponent’s viewpoint, treating it as rather pathetic and really not worth attention.” [Awake!, August 22, 1978, pages 3 & 4]
Do you agree that assuming such an “air of dismissal” and discouraging open discussion of all the available information would be “unfair?” I can certainly commend the Watchtower Society for presenting the above. In fact they have often done similarly.

I would have written "This is EXACTLY what the WTS does!" G

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"Borg" Fans: It's a Video For you...

by V in

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i am strangely rivited to this video blending star trek's borg and linkin park's "crawling".

maybe you will feel it too.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqtnk1-cnqu

Geronimo

How very haunting and disturbing. It stirred me deeply as a former JW and a Trekker. The music fit the selected images perfectly. The result is a truly atmospheric and sureal tableau that resonated me with deeply as a former bOrg. Thanks for the link. I would never have have found this treasure otherwise. G