Posts by Gilberto

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Hospital ordered to give Jehovah's Witness transfusion

by Gilberto in

http://www.eveningecho.ie/news/bstory.asp?j=83890466&p=8389x768&n=83890846.

hospital ordered to give jehovah's witness transfusion.

21/09/2006 - 5:28:29 pm.

Gilberto

A quote about the case from the Humanist Association

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2006/0922/1158590881290.html

The Humanist Association of Ireland described the court decision as "absolutely outrageous". Its vice-chairman Dick Spicer said the decision set a dreadful precedent. "It overrides individual religious rights. It overrides the right to refuse treatment and the ramifications of this could be enormous in the future", he said.

I understand his concerns but what he doesn't realise is that the Watchtower have overriden the individual rights of its members by the banning of blood transfusions. I also think he would find outrageous that should the woman have chosen to have had a transfusion she would have been shunned by all her religious colleagues.

A case in point is that of Skyking:

The state of Washington took legal action against myself and my wife to give a transfusion to my daughter. THANK GOD THEY DID THIS.

I hope things worked out well with your daughter.

But it shows that actually it is not the individuals beliefs that cause the refusal of blood but that of the Governing Body. To illustrate, I wonder how many JWs would now happily accept haemoglobin wheras a few years ago it was banned?

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Richard Branson - well done!

by Simon in

what an example to set ... let's hope more follow suit.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5368194.stm.

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Gilberto

Good on you Richard. I am sure its not a publicity stunt.

So, do you think his plans to build an oil refinery are now on hold.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4255156.stm

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Hospital ordered to give Jehovah's Witness transfusion

by Gilberto in

http://www.eveningecho.ie/news/bstory.asp?j=83890466&p=8389x768&n=83890846.

hospital ordered to give jehovah's witness transfusion.

21/09/2006 - 5:28:29 pm.

Gilberto

Notice this article

http://u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=76859&pt=n

Ewen Watt, a member of the Watch Tower organisation for Jehovah`s Witnesses in Ireland, said blood transfusions were a matter for individuals.

"That is a personal decision for each individual Christian to make. Each one of the Jehovah`s Witnesses would have to make a decision with regard to that," he said.

Yeah, Right. I believe you Ewen.

Edited to add this quote:

The judge said he accepted Ms K was compos mentis and if brought to court on a stretcher she would oppose the application.

But he told the court he felt it necessary to override her religious beliefs on the grounds that her baby boy had no other relatives, or guardians, that were known of in the state.
Mr Justice Abbott said the interests of the child were paramount and that he must err on the side of preserving life.

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Hospital ordered to give Jehovah's Witness transfusion

by Gilberto in

http://www.eveningecho.ie/news/bstory.asp?j=83890466&p=8389x768&n=83890846.

hospital ordered to give jehovah's witness transfusion.

21/09/2006 - 5:28:29 pm.

Gilberto

http://www.eveningecho.ie/news/bstory.asp?j=83890466&p=8389x768&n=83890846

Hospital ordered to give Jehovah's Witness transfusion

21/09/2006 - 5:28:29 PM

The High Court tonight intervened to save the life of a seriously ill African woman by ordering a Dublin hospital to give her a life-saving blood transfusion.

The 23-year-old Congolese woman, who suffered a major haemorrhage today after giving birth to a healthy baby boy, had refused the treatment on religious grounds because she is a Jehovah?s Witness.

Believed to be the first case of its kind involving an adult in Ireland, the court ruled the Coombe Hospital must put the interests of the child first and save the mother?s life.

It is understood she had lost 80% of her blood.

A spokesman for the Coombe Hospital confirmed doctors had been ordered to act in the best interests of the mother.

Interesting that the adult can be forced to have a transfusion. Anyone heard of this before? This would make a mockery of the release form for expectant mothers.

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NEWBIES how many of you

by plmkrzy in

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have joined in the past month or two?.

i can't keep up there seems to be so many so i wanted to start a welcome thread for new newbies.. sorry if this was already done recently.. note: the in-built search system is currently being redeveloped so i am not able to check for this topic without looking through tons of pages.. anyway...say hello!.

plm.

Gilberto

Me too

I lurked for a while and now find that I tend to read more than post. Though I did spend about 1 1/2 hours developing a post the other night for the dreaded error message to come up and so I lost all the work (yes, I know I should have done it in wordpad first, but it started out as a simple link to a news story)

Anyway, thanks for the welcome.

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Article in local college newspaper

by Jim_TX in

http://www.theranger.org/media/storage/paper1010/news/2006/05/18/urbanjournalismworkshop/teen-jehovahs.witnesses.share.beliefs-2118143.shtml?norewrite200609191657&sourcedomain=www.theranger.org.

(if i knew how to link better, i might be able to do this right...).

i found this on the internet... it may be 'old news' - but it is interesting.

Gilberto

She resents people refusing to answer the door when she visits them

Oh, I am ever so sorry that I don't want to answer the door to you Miss Who do you think you are

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Should I decorate or not - ?

by AK - Jeff in

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for the two xmas's we have been 'out', wifey and i have celebrated christmas quietly with the grandkids and a few family.

although we have had a tree - somewhat hidden from view inside - we have not ever put a light or decoration outside.

this week i proposed to wifey that i light the large conifer in the back yard this season.

Gilberto

This will be our first year celebrating Christmas. Although I wasn't brought up in the "Truth" I have celebrated a few but my wife hasn't. She has already bought some decorations! Though she did it rather furtively. Not sure what exactly we will do but we have a 3 year old so it will fantastic

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Who cleans the KH?

by solo in

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i just had a flash back to when we used to have to clean the kh.

each group had to take it in turn to do the cleaning.. in our group we had a bunch of lazy b*****ds, so it was left to us kids and our dad to clean the kh, bogs, etc.

even my mum used to find some excuse to duck out.. so if meetings, door knocking, studying, praying wasn't enough we also had to spend a couple of hours cleaning every month or so.

Gilberto

Oh no! I remember that.

We used to do it after the ministry on a Saturday. I liked to get there early to make sure the chairs weren't stacked up. Some brothers like to stack them up hoover then put the chairs out again, it would take ages. If you just hoovered round the chairs you could do the hall in no time.

I would avoid the toilets if I could. Anyway, they would be cleaned the following week by another group.

Actually, I remember when we were assigned to clean for the circuit assembly at Haysbridge. We would shut the upstairs toilets for cleaning during the final session so we wouldn't be late going home. Not a popular move, but we stuck to it for several assemblies. The tip was just make sure the taps and mirrors were shiny. It didn't matter how clean the toilets were.

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"i enjoyed your talk Brother"

by fleaman uk in

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i was musing about being a jw the other day.im not scarred by it like many,i dont hate anyone in my old cong..theres a couple of idiotic elders of course,but in the main my biggest thing when i think of my past life is the farsical nonsense of it all!.

meeting attendance,knocking on doors...oh dear.. one of the stupidest things was being required to do talks.i mean,come on who really used to listen to that drivel..i mean really listen?.

i was an ok speaker,nothing briliant,competent ..even gave a pub talk once when all the elders were on a jolly up at elders school.. it occurred to me how robotic bros and sis were when it came to giving praise!no matter how crap the talk was,one would always get a "i really enjoyed your talk brother".every time.without fail.i know they were being nice,i used to say it all the time too.my dad once said it to me and i asked him what he liked most about it?he admitted he didnt remember what it was even about.i dont remember in 30 years man and boy ever enjoying a talk.. yep,its a nonsense religion alright.full of braindead robots.. did anyone actually pay close attention and really enjoy the "food"from the platform?

Gilberto

We would have some good talks, especially on a thursday evening. By good I mean enjoyable, with good humour, not necessarily spiritual, if the right brothers were giving the talks. Could be very boring if it was the wrong ones, especially the last item, cause you knew they would go overtime.

I enjoyed giving talks, I gave a few Public Talks and actually I liked the compliments. As for whether they were sincere, I would say on the whole yes. Would they remember the talk, I don't think that mattered, it was whether they found the experience as a whole enjoyable. Like watching a tv program, I can laugh out loud at some programs such as "Have I got News For You" but when it comes to telling someone the funny parts I really struggle to remember.

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Maybe Interesting Blood News

by truth.ceeker in

i had a meeting with my heart surgeon yesterday, and after informing him of our faith, my wife still holding onto to parts of the organization, the dr. said that, "there is a new form that just came out last year from your mother church in new york.

" what this document does is (1) make it clear that the person is not allowing blood to be used, (2) makes it clear that the dr. will have a court order ready in case blood is deemed medically necessary to sustain life and (3) absolves the person's conscience of any guilt if it came down to it.

i'm not sure if this document has been discussed before, but i thought that it was a bit intriguing.

Gilberto

inthetruth

Can you please show me where in the bible it says some parts of blood are acceptable and some parts of blood are not.

ie where does it say haemoglobin is acceptable for a Christian but Leucocytes are not.

I am seriously interested.