Posts by OnTheWayOut

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ABCNews Nightline: Segment on JW absuse cases here......

by WingCommander in

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here is the segment on the conti abuse case in california and jehovah's witness's response as reported on by the abcnews nightline broadcast which was shown early this morning.

it really displays some absolutely shocking behavior from not only her abuser and his (supportive) wife, but also the jw attorneys and elders via video.

i am just blown away by the audacity displayed by these monsters.. we can now understand why governing body member stephen lett slipped in his comments a couple of weeks ago about "untrue reports of child abuse" in one of his talks which can viewed on the cult's website.

OnTheWayOut

Great posted videos. Thanks WC.

I was going to ignore Perry's comment which is a version of "No true Scotsman..." (Google it.) But I feel it is necessary to comment. Please get off your pulpit where you try to separate JW'S from your ideal Christianity. Just as it is highly inappropriate to use this case to blast all God-belief, it is equally wrong to say how true Christians are better than this. This report is negativity about Jehovah's Witnesses and their policies. Secondarily, it is positivity about Candace Conti and the victims who have their say or their late reward and/or justice. Let's keep our debates and pushing of our beliefs (and non-beliefs) where they belong.

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ABC's report on child abuse

by Joyzabel in

nice job!

OnTheWayOut

I am not a fan of the forced camera interviews where people have to tell interviewers to go away. In virtually all circumstances, I would tell them to go away also. But Rick messed up in saying anything. What he did say was seemingly contradictory to what was presented in court. There was no allowing for him to deny Candace's accusations and they didn't want him appearing to be cross-examined. Watchtower lawyers did not take a defense that included denying allegations.

What Rick's wife said was revealing also. She damn well knows Rick was guilty, having said he paid for the crime she knows he committed.

The Watchtower lawyers trying to deny that Candace was "assigned" to work with Rick is such nonsense and it appears that the jury was not fooled by the defense. The fact is that a dangerous known predator was allowed to choose Candace and the congregation, were it not under strict orders, could easily have prevented that.

I know I cannot get my JW wife to even consider watching the video, but should I be isolated with Jehovah's Witnesses, it will probably come up in my conversation.

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ABC's report on child abuse

by Joyzabel in

nice job!

OnTheWayOut

Wow! That was a powerful report.

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jw.org cart days numbered?

by jookbeard in

reading a report of an elder in a friends cong has been hiding and spying on the pioneers who seem to have a practise of dumping the cart and finding a local coffee shop, i've noticed that they do this in my local high street as well but this week they seemed to be all huddled around the cart, they've clearly been warned, a vast percentage of the time i see they seem to be more interested in fiddling with their mobile phones and gossiping, is just seems these carts are a means for the pioneers to turn in "easy time" i wonder what sort of figures show how much literature is being taken by the public?

i bet its very minimal.

naturally the gb would say they are a phenomenal success , we clearly know they are not.

OnTheWayOut

If Watchtower was profiting from literature, they would be concerned about the carts. I think it's the opposite. Carts keep JW'S out in "service" with minimal placements. Profits come from the members' pockets so keep giving them easy service time. Money from mags, books is down so don't pressure anyone to place them. It's bizarre when members see easy time counting as a good thing instead of a waste of time.

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Feeling indifferent

by campaign of hate in

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right now, at this point in my life, i feel like i should be angry, sad, upset, annoyed, whatever emotion that most of you guys here feel or have felt.. but the overwhelming feeling i get, and i have got since waking up, is indifference.. i think that this might be my subconscious coping mechanism.

when i go to the meetings or take part in any other wt related activity, i don't care.

i just really couldn't care less.. i mean, i do care, but i think it's more a fascination now about the whole thing.

OnTheWayOut

Right now, you are still "in" the cult, active to some degree. It is highly possible that your coping mechanism is a type of numbness to it all. That and a dose of curiosity about it all is fully understandable.

Plus, different people will react differently to their situations. We should not be surprised that one is bitter and another is indifferent. Heck, some put on a great attitude of joy that they are out.

If you think there might be a depression in there, pay attention to your own thoughts and see which way it develops. I think that every single person who was in, is in, left, did not leave, etc. would benefit from professional counseling. Most won't go, largely due to the cost factors. So, just keep an eye open to yourself if you think you are okay, but not so sure.

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JW NFL Player Retires

by Barrold Bonds in

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this is news to me, despite somewhat following the steelers.. http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2015/03/11/steelers-free-agent-jason-worilds-announces-his-departure-from-football/stories/201503110155.

with all the surprises that were delivered around the nfl tuesday, jason worilds has pulled another.

the steelers free agent linebacker announced early this morning that he was leaving football.. and the steelers believe he means it.. steelers sources told the post-gazette today that they believe worilds, who became an unrestricted free agent on tuesday, is serious about walking away from football at the age of 27 to work for his religion, jehovahs witnesses, and that there is no hidden agenda involved in his decision.. i appreciate all of the interest from the organizations that have reached out to us the past few days, worilds wrote on twitter.

OnTheWayOut

I can hear the interview at a convention:

"I walked away at the peak of my athletic career to stand next to a literature cart. I don't need tens of millions of dollars, what I need is to serve Jehovah, and by 'serve Jehovah,' I mean 'obey Watchtower.'"

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New WT property for A/V production

by respectful_observer in

so the wts just bought yet another corporate building in upstate ny.

this time it's a building to house a/v production a few minutes from patterson.

why they just don't build what they need on property they already own, i don't know.. http://www.loopnet.com/listing/17829130/39-mt-ebo-road-south-brewster-ny/.

OnTheWayOut

They can always have hundreds or even thousands of volunteers make all kinds of improvements to this place and sell it later if they have their own building on their own compounds later. Along with JW.TV , it's their new thing.

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JW NFL Player Retires

by Barrold Bonds in

jw
friends

this is news to me, despite somewhat following the steelers.. http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2015/03/11/steelers-free-agent-jason-worilds-announces-his-departure-from-football/stories/201503110155.

with all the surprises that were delivered around the nfl tuesday, jason worilds has pulled another.

the steelers free agent linebacker announced early this morning that he was leaving football.. and the steelers believe he means it.. steelers sources told the post-gazette today that they believe worilds, who became an unrestricted free agent on tuesday, is serious about walking away from football at the age of 27 to work for his religion, jehovahs witnesses, and that there is no hidden agenda involved in his decision.. i appreciate all of the interest from the organizations that have reached out to us the past few days, worilds wrote on twitter.

OnTheWayOut

Jehovah's Witnesses- Scientology for famous black people. (Especially musicians and athletes.)

Edited to add:
I actually admire someone who can walk away with their first several millions and not be needing to prove anything more. It's just a shame that it has to be to work with the cult.

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Nightline program with segment on JWs has been changed until tomorrow night.

by AndersonsInfo in

i was at a criminal trial all day in murfreesboro, tn, involving the notorious jw who i call "mommy molester," angela montgomery.

this is the reason i didn't know until this evening that the nightline program with the segment on jws was changed until tomorrow night.

(i forgot my phone.

OnTheWayOut

Probably bumped by Hillary Clinton using her personal email.

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Memorial Date this year, why so far out ?

by Phizzy in

we have debated for many a long year on jwn about the "proper" date for the passover/memorial and my conclusion is that jw's get it all wrong for a number of reasons, but as the gospels are contradictory, nobody can say for sure.. most years they are close to the time by a day or so, signalled by the full moon occurring about then.. i believe this year they have chosen saturday april 11th.. this is a full week, near enough, away from the full moon.. what has gone on with their calculation ?.

OnTheWayOut

When I celebrate, I never get the actual time it should be celebrated wrong.

(Yes, you can easily figure what I mean.)