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  Richard Dawkins Promotes ABC's Expose of Child Abuse in the Watchtower

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the story is painfully familiar.

  children are sexually abused in a closed-off cult that is averse to secular justice.

  the victims either dont dare accuse their influential tormentors, or, if they do, no one believes them.

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  OnTheWayOut

  All coverage is good coverage. This won't reach too many JW's, but a few atheists will have something about which to ask the cart monitors.
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  Why a JC if the adulterous mate is forgiven?

  by snugglebunny in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  supposing a man's wife has had an affair, confessed all and genuinely regrets what's happened.

  the husband, after much soul searching and agonising, realises how much he still loves her and how much both of them want to rebuild their shattered relationship.. why should that woman then have to sit in front of a judicial men-only committee and give a blow-by-blow account of her affair?.

  how would that make her husband feel, knowing that his wife is sharing intensely private stuff about her affair with several other guys?.

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  OnTheWayOut

  My OP refers to a real actual situation. The husband was not a JW, so no input was sought from him. He was actually furious at what he perceived to be an outright intrusion into his private life and begged his wife not to attend.

  I am not 100% sure on the rules, and I know this option would not be mentioned to the "worldly" husband. But I believe he could still insist on being present for any judicial matter with his wife. He is her "head" according to them. Insisting upon being there could have, at the very least, caused the committee to just forget about the whole thing.
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  Why a JC if the adulterous mate is forgiven?

  by snugglebunny in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  supposing a man's wife has had an affair, confessed all and genuinely regrets what's happened.

  the husband, after much soul searching and agonising, realises how much he still loves her and how much both of them want to rebuild their shattered relationship.. why should that woman then have to sit in front of a judicial men-only committee and give a blow-by-blow account of her affair?.

  how would that make her husband feel, knowing that his wife is sharing intensely private stuff about her affair with several other guys?.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Unless an offender is an elder (or higher), or is the family member of an elder (or higher), and even sometimes then- breaking any JW rules must be met with some kind of punishment.
  
  The husband in your situation could sit in on the judicial meeting and cause it to be less graphic (if at all).
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  Telling Parents About TTATT

  by ivanatahan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my parents are zealous jecultah's blindnesses, but my sister and i are not.

  because of this, we are limited in our abilities/opportunities in life.

  mu parents hate my sister because she went to college and started a full time job and thus isn't able to go to meetings or service.

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  You are baptized and Dad is an elder. Dude, you will almost certainly have to figure out how to do this without parents' help. Just try to keep them in your life and don't try to wake them up by badmouthing/questioning JW teachings.
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  Telling Parents About TTATT

  by ivanatahan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my parents are zealous jecultah's blindnesses, but my sister and i are not.

  because of this, we are limited in our abilities/opportunities in life.

  mu parents hate my sister because she went to college and started a full time job and thus isn't able to go to meetings or service.

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  School counselors eat this stuff up. Maybe not as much High School counselors, but sometimes them too. Certainly the college counselors want to try to help. Talk to your H.S. guidance counselor straight up about wanting to go to college with your obstacles- JW parents. Talk to your sister. Get your options. Try to earn scholarships, but even if you are at a point where it is time to leave High School, don't give up. You may find some ways to do this without your parents help.

  In my opinion, you will have to confront your parents sooner or later about this. Especially if you are not baptized, be ready to say what you want to say- I WANT TO GO TO COLLEGE. I WANT A CAREER. If they don't support you in your decision, tell them you will have to do this without their support. Then go talk to a college counselor about how to do this. You may be able to live with your sister, or live at college if scholarships or counselors find a way to help you. You may need to go to a lesser college for a couple years and then try to transfer to your "good university."

  As far as avoiding shunning from your parents, it is important to do what you can. If you are not baptized, and even if you are, you will probably have to keep the JW bashing to a minimum. (But I did like "Jecultah's Blindnesses.") Don't work so much on getting your parents out as much as you work on having the life you want. Then as time goes on, read things like Steve Hassan's books and try to apply methods slowly to helping your parents. The main thing would be to really let them know what you DO want, not so much what you DO NOT want, stick to your guns, let them know you will do what it takes and you hope to have their support or at least their presence in your life.
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  Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.

  this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.

  so today the gloves came off.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Bravo, Flipper. Bravo.

  As Ding said on page 1, "if all that happened to them, they'd be FORMER JWs too..."

  I might have taken more than the one invitation and one magazine to the trash, but I suppose that would have ruined your fairly polite demeanor which only went down a notch as far as "tit-for-tat."

  I typically don't have anything to do with JW's, strangers or not. But I may see them out and about and mention the child abuse thing. Someone might be helped to know.
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  Shorter meetings for field service

  by hoser in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  march kingdom ministry insert is about how the field service meetings will be shortened from 10 to 15 minutes down to 5 to 7 minutes.

  they want the publishers to report more hours.

  in my experience the problem isn't the length of the meeting for service but pioneers and publishers dogging it after the service arrangement.

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  When I was pioneering, I used to organize some of the weekday morning groups at the Kingdom Hall. If we were to meet at 9:00am, I would arrive before 9:00am and I would often have nobody show up and I would leave at 9:10 or 9:15am at the latest. More than half the time, some pioneers would say that there was "no meeting for field service" at the hall. I would say "Yes, there was. We left at 9:10am" They would always argue with me that they came and the door was locked. I insisted that they must have come after 9:10am because the door was not locked until that time. I never said how "nobody" showed up except me and they never really changed to getting there on time. I was a pretty easy going JW, but if nobody was there, I didn't sit around and hope they would come.
  
  Most pioneers did not want to come to the Hall, but were ridged in counting their time and did not want to stop. Many typically felt that if they came late, the group would be wrapping up, they would be seen to show up, they couldn't get paired with someone they didn't want to work with because people were already paired by the time they showed up. The reason they didn't really change was because most other group organizers would take a long time at the Kingdom Hall. I was always in-and-out. But I had a rotating work schedule and they never knew which day I would be organizing the groups.
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  Is there a Child Molester on the Governing Body?

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  great report by abc on the abuses in jw-dot-org land.... i hope it opens a "floodgate" of future news reports and exposes.

  if you ask yourself, "why hasn't the watchtower leadership changed their policy on the 2 witness rule?

  if one or more persons on the gb has victims out there that can't come forward because of the 2 witness rule, then that would explain the permanent road block to policy change that is obviously in place.

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  I would go out on a limb and say, "No." There probably is not a molester on the GB. They probably are all lily-white squeaky clean men. But there are pedophiles somewhere down the chain of leadership and there has been at least one molester in the Ivory Tower in the past.

  Plus, as a cult that never admits wrong, Watchtower must keep protecting what they can about the way they have done things. The 2-witness rule is supposedly "from the Bible" and universal to all things JW. They cannot bring themselves to make exceptions.

  Their way out is simple- make criminal and congregational things separate. Just because you can't disfellowship someone without 2 witnesses doesn't mean you can't "mark" them after you have cooperated with the law and the law has found them guilty. It doesn't mean you can't stand by a child when they make an accusation even if you can't prove that they are telling the truth. But they see any bending as making exceptions and maybe they, as a dictatorship cult, are right.
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  Can we verify that Watchtower is on lockdown right now?

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a rumor going around that watchtower is on lockdown right now and the news media parked outside, circling like vultures every since the abc nightline report, is there anyone that can verify it true or not?.

  https://youtu.be/ilbvzop6uua.

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  This just in, Watchtower's compound was actually a spaceship and it took off to join the larger "wheel in the sky" to keep the members isolated from worldly lies. Rick Fearon's insider, Johnny, revealed all when he threw a message in a bottle out the window before they sealed all exits in preparations for leaving the atmosphere.

  But so that the world still has hope, they left the literature carts behind. Please feel free to take a copy. The Governing Body says that if you have any questions, the rocks of earth will sing out Jehovah's praises soon, any minute now.
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  WT is trying to scare off memorial partakers

  by cookiemaster in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't know how many of you still participate in the sunday wt study, but i unfortunately still do.

  even though i was asleep half of the time, i did notice something i thought i should share with the rest, in case you haven't noticed.

  a lot of the paragraphs were worded strongly against partaking and used clear language of intimidation and discouragement toward anyone thinking of partaking.

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  Blondie:
  What would make someone ineligible to partake?
  Must be baptized as a jw and not da'd or df'd.

  I want to disagree. Any bloke can walk into the ceremony (if they are not disruptive) and partake, be they never a JW or a currently disassociated/disfellowshipped JW. Is there something in writing that says otherwise?

  I would encourage anyone who decides to "visit" the memorial to partake.

  Edited to add: I don't think Blondie was saying they can't partake, but was commenting on whether they "count" such people. Go ahead and partake, visitors.