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  Richard Ashe Court Deposition - " Let elders handle child abuse- don't talk about it "

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  as some of you know i was given pdf files of much of the conti and lopez child abuse court cases and asked from a friend to peruse through it and post some excerpts on the board here that may have been missed or not addressed in the pbs newshour report or the abc news nightline report.

  so after going through this richard ashe testimony i feel i found something quite interesting that exposes the real attitudes of the wt society leaders towards child abuse and the attitudes wt leaders put into it's appointed men's minds as well.

  the viewpoint that richard ashe displays is repeated in elders throughout thousands of jw congregations on this planet.

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  OnTheWayOut

  The solution, IMO, ( IS TO BURN THE WTBTS TO THE GROUND ) is to instruct the Elders in an actual school and to have them pass background checks as individuals. Any prospective MS or Eldub should have to pass a background check. Then, if there is ever an allegation of abuse, trained Elders should try to help while simultaneously cooperating with local authorities.

  That's one way- but it will never happen. They would need millions to leave Watchtower in order to have enough elders for the remainder. But I like that.

  Instead, I say: TREAT IT LIKE A CRIMINAL ACCUSATION LIKE MURDER. If little Suzy or Johnny says that Brother Chester killed someone, the elders are not going to handle it, they are not going to refrain from reporting to the police. If they think Suzy or Johnny is lying, they aren't going to just forget about their accusation. They can stand by the child without judging them and they can accompany them as they deal with this tragedy if that's what Suzy or Johnny wants. Turn it over to professional people and follow their lead. If the Watchtower wants to retain that rule about 2 witnesses, they don't have to disfellowship the guy if that's not present.
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  What to say to JWs at a funeral

  by dogon in

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  2. beliefs

  my father passed away this week.

  we are going to have a funeral for him.

  he was not a witness for many years but a lot of his family is still associated.

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  OnTheWayOut

  No matter the comment, you can say "Thank you for your concern." If you like what they say, "It means a lot to me."
  
  Sorry to read of your loss.
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  Richard Ashe Court Deposition - " Let elders handle child abuse- don't talk about it "

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  as some of you know i was given pdf files of much of the conti and lopez child abuse court cases and asked from a friend to peruse through it and post some excerpts on the board here that may have been missed or not addressed in the pbs newshour report or the abc news nightline report.

  so after going through this richard ashe testimony i feel i found something quite interesting that exposes the real attitudes of the wt society leaders towards child abuse and the attitudes wt leaders put into it's appointed men's minds as well.

  the viewpoint that richard ashe displays is repeated in elders throughout thousands of jw congregations on this planet.

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  OnTheWayOut

  The old "Pile on and contradict yourself" tactic:
  
  "Your honor, my client never raped that woman. He never even met her and he was out of town with his wife. Besides, she consented to having sex with him that night, so how could it be rape. Plus, this isn't the woman he raped anyway."

  According to legal experts:
  
  In general, when a party accused of a crime contradicts himself, it is presumed he does so because he is guilty, for truth does not contradict itself and is always consistent, whereas falsehood is generally inconsistent and the truth of some known facts will contradict the falsehood of those which are falsely alleged to be true.

  A lawyer for the client could substitute for "a party accused of a crime" in this case. I presume the rest of what that says above.

  
  
  
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  OnTheWayOut

  This was written thousands of years before scientists started to think of space, time and matter as a fabric. And apparently, it is no more difficult to demolish and rebuild than changing a T shirt ....for God.

  Another vague scripture applied in a specific way to fit reality.

  Well actually, Perry's thought is pretty good- the T-shirt part.

  Alright. I am sold. The impossible flood happened, Man is less than 7000 years old despite the fossils, the one true God had a baby with a human woman but not using sex like all the other myths, raping young girls after killing their parents was okay with God as long as you called the girl a 'wife,' any thought that scientists have about analogies proves the Bible because there's something similar in there somewhere.
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

  1. jw
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  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  OnTheWayOut

  That's right. Pick a single sub-point within an answer and ignore the gist of it. Okay, millions of universes are unique then.
  And I won't pretend to understand the cosmological constant beyond the elementary- the value of the energy density of the vacuum of space. But I like how Perry pretends because he copied and pasted it.
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

  1. jw
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  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Nothing created GOD....

  That's what it has to be for Perry's truth to be truth.

  Atheists say, "in the beginning, nothing". Christians are saying, 'In the beginning, God..."

  If something could not come into existence (or always exist in some form), then God could not come into existence (or always exist).
  (Again, I know that there was no 'always' or anything 'before' time existed.)
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  OnTheWayOut

  real observable evidence about the uniqueness of our universe

  Not that I fully support the multiverse, as it's just too early in man's infancy of understanding to figure it all out. We have a long way to go, BUT......

  ......how the hell is there real observable evidence about the uniqueness of our universe? We can't see any other universe so we have nothing to compare it to. If you left out "real observable evidence" I could see it. It probably is unique among the many universes, or unique as the only one. But you don't know anymore than those whose math theorizes other universes. And the math is more than a shred of evidence. Black holes used to just be mathematical in existence until they found them. Some of what they do at the Large Hadron Collider used to be just mathematical.
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  CAH closing down in upstate NY

  by oppostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  yet another circuit assembly hall is going to be sold off!.

  they've been reducing the amount of congregations assigned to meet there and using the times when it isn't in use to make repairs.

  elders have now been informed that they are selling off the property and buildings and that circuits would be assigned to attend other sites, twice as far, three or four hours away, like montreal.

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  Hey, as it turns out, the picture of the front doors is an artist's conception or something like that. The actual front doors are in this video, but not much different from the picture.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjAlyDres8E
  
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  Since man is unable to create life does this mean

  by Crazyguy in

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  does this mean possible a creator did or does exist.

  there is plenty of evidence of a slow evolutionary changes over millions of years and i do not disagree with this.

  but again that fact that mankind can not create a living creature from scratch mean there must be a creator?

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  OnTheWayOut

  Once man does create life from scratch.....

  all we will hear from believers is how God created man in His image, so we had that potential put into us. They will forget how they kept saying the one thing proves there must be a creator and now the opposite thing proves there is a creator.
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  CAH closing down in upstate NY

  by oppostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  yet another circuit assembly hall is going to be sold off!.

  they've been reducing the amount of congregations assigned to meet there and using the times when it isn't in use to make repairs.

  elders have now been informed that they are selling off the property and buildings and that circuits would be assigned to attend other sites, twice as far, three or four hours away, like montreal.

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  OnTheWayOut

  They are continuing to sell the old for whatever they can so they can flip the money.

  If you get a chance, look at Google images of "Orangeburg Assembly Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses" and see how their newer style of buildings have level floors instead of the traditional sloping theater floors and the whole place looks like it will make a great sporting goods (or other) store or maybe something like a Walmart.