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  After 2 years my parents make contact. The end result is that I promise them to cryogenically preserve ONLY their heads

  by paulmolark in

  1. jw
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  it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.

  i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.

  a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.

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  At least she can mark a "Return Visit" down for that one.
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  A Total Waste of Time "In The Field"

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i am walking down the street in a spanish neighborhood and two men, obviously jw's, are standing between houses writing furiously on their tiny slips.

  i am nearly a block away approaching and they just kept writing the whole time i walked up.

  i finally arrive to pass them and they are still both writing.

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  oppostate, the neighborhood I live in is over 90% Spanish. They do every door and may have to send in a slip when they find someone like me that does not speak Spanish. Most are dual language, perhaps weak in English but still better at it than me and my Spanish, but many speak Spanish only.

  AFRIKANMAN, you add to my point very well. There was a time when the majority spent some effort reaching people. Now, the majority does not try to reach people. But they still waste their time taking notes or sitting/standing by a cart.
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  A Total Waste of Time "In The Field"

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i am walking down the street in a spanish neighborhood and two men, obviously jw's, are standing between houses writing furiously on their tiny slips.

  i am nearly a block away approaching and they just kept writing the whole time i walked up.

  i finally arrive to pass them and they are still both writing.

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  SoCal101, that sounds so strange. I have watched enough LAW AND ORDER on television to know that if someone is asking about my neighbors, I don't think I should give them information.

  Thanks for sharing your stories, StarTrekAngel. I am glad you enjoyed your day and I am glad you stopped doing that stuff 6 months ago.
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  A Total Waste of Time "In The Field"

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i am walking down the street in a spanish neighborhood and two men, obviously jw's, are standing between houses writing furiously on their tiny slips.

  i am nearly a block away approaching and they just kept writing the whole time i walked up.

  i finally arrive to pass them and they are still both writing.

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  Village Idiot, I do like that they bother people less.

  Sir82, yes. Elders have important things to do. No time to talk to people.

  Thanks you, John Aquila.

  Brand New, me too.

  westiebilly11, so true. A further waste of time- hold up the best time-wasters as examples. I wonder if, due to the cost of literature, platform skits at conventions will include wonderful examples of cart-witnesses being there all day to "save" people with the holy literature, but apparently Satan got to everyone that day and they placed nothing, but earned their way into heaven for the 8 hours apiece at the cart. (Oh, and they did not get skin cancer because they had umbrellas.)

  tim310rd, that is my actual picture. I look hispanic. I get what you are saying, but there was definitely no attempt whatsoever to talk to me or other, clearly Spanish-speaking people walking by. This time was being counted in completing a door-to-door territory, not reaching people on the street. Reaching people on the street is for others, the cart-witnesses......well......for cart-witnesses to be out there where the angels can guide the right-hearted people to approach them and interrupt their conversation and ask for a good magazine or brochure that will wind up bringing them into the truth by it's magic quality of being just what they needed to read.
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  A Total Waste of Time "In The Field"

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i am walking down the street in a spanish neighborhood and two men, obviously jw's, are standing between houses writing furiously on their tiny slips.

  i am nearly a block away approaching and they just kept writing the whole time i walked up.

  i finally arrive to pass them and they are still both writing.

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  So I am walking down the street in a Spanish neighborhood and two men, obviously JW's, are standing between houses writing furiously on their tiny slips. I am nearly a block away approaching and they just kept writing the whole time I walked up. I finally arrive to pass them and they are still both writing. One looks up and says "Buenos Dias" to me and I walked by. No followup, no attempt to share their message with me.

  I won't even bother saying how they were wasting time because they weren't bringing anything of value to the "householders." Let's forget about that and focus on how "productive" they were.

  I am pretty sure they were taking vigorous "Not-at-Home" or "Not-Interested" notes. They were working doors, not people. I was a person and not a door, so no need to say anything to me. And I am sure that on Friday morning, a huge percentage of the doors would go onto their slip of paper as not-at-home. If they spent long enough writing vigorous notes, they could be sure not to ring too many more bells before time for a break. I am sure after taking their vigorous notes, someone will call again and try again and find the majority still not-at-home. After several JW's count several hours in that territory, the notes will be thrown away and the territory will be marked as "worked" until several months or even a year from now when it is started all over again.

  I imagine this time around, they will speak to less people than the number of hours they count and the number of old magazines they "place" at the unanswered doors will make them proud of their service to Jehovah and feeling guilty enough to drop a few bucks in the box. Those old mags will go straight to the junkmail pile which ends up in the trash or maybe straight to the trash. In the old days when there was the tiniest bit of substance to their reports on beetles in rural Africa or waterfalls in North America, a child might have cut out the pictures. Now, there's not too much of that in there. Meanwhile, several people were walking on that street not being bothered by these evangelistic diligent note-takers.

  What a joke they have become.
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  WT is shorting literature orders by congregation with a problem contributing enough for literature $3500 just for mags

  by oppostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at our meeting last night there was a talk about having run out of magazines for the last three months.

  it's expected this will continue to happen.

  the "branch" has not sent the requested number of magazines.

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  It's all available online. The elders can print the mags for the members who don't have access.

  WTS can only wave this stuff in people's faces. They can't really enforce anything on them. When they cancel an order, close a Kingdom Hall, send the C.O. with a message- it hurts a bit, but the members start skipping recruiting when they have no product, start skipping meetings when it's a longer drive, start caring less what the C.O. has to say.
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  Our hall is asking for money...

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i guess the branch isn't happy with the amount being sent each month since we are way lower than our loan amount.

  we now have to another financial survey to see the max amount that can be given.

  it is "encouraged" for all to be in attendance and give much forethought and consideration to the amount you can donate each month.

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  This whole pledge thing is going to back fire on them big time and dry up any desire to give as the unconscious of even the more devote worshipers moves them to give less and less.

  I so disagree. You are somewhat correct in that members will give less and less as they realize they don't have to. It happened with literature and it will happen with donations just for the good of the worldwide work they think they are giving to.

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  Watchtower already took tons of money and all the Kingdom Halls. They already won. Some congregations will give more than they think they need to and many will give barely what they think they need to. Sure, the rest won't give as much, and as time goes on, this monthly amount will go down. As the money goes down, they can simply not remodel Kingdom Halls and the local members will do their best to keep up the place without LDC. They will close halls that they feel are not profitable.

  Personally, I look at Scientology and see Watchtower going the same way. Scientology has the money and is not really concerned about retaining and recruiting so many new members. Watchtower will keep the money and suffer with less members.
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  Our hall is asking for money...

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i guess the branch isn't happy with the amount being sent each month since we are way lower than our loan amount.

  we now have to another financial survey to see the max amount that can be given.

  it is "encouraged" for all to be in attendance and give much forethought and consideration to the amount you can donate each month.

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  If the vote is truly anonymous, I am torn on putting ZERO down or putting a high number down and then not actually donating it.

  If they know who filled out what, I would write NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHAT I GIVE!
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  My Parents Lost Forever?

  by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my father served in the second world war.

  he served in the south pacific.

  he loved his time in the military and my mother was more than supporting.

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  You can put emotional spins on it, but does that change reality? Does a sincere JW make what he believes correct, or does emotional satisfaction in one's beliefs make them true?

  Good people, bad people, people who are indifferent. YES, I believe they lived their lives and are gone.

  It's really not even a "BELIEF." Until otherwise demonstrated, there is no afterlife or resurrection and dead is dead. The burden of proof is with those that choose to believe something other that what we have seen.
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  Crises of conscience

  by Deltawave in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have just read the book crises of conscience in less than 3days!

  i could not put it down!

  even in front of my jw wife and her family.

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  Hey, congratulations on your new-found freedom of mind. Stick with your decisions.

  My first real book that "they" wouldn't want me to read was Steve Hassan's COMBATTING CULT MIND CONTROL. Ray Franz' COC was next.

  In both cases, I was glued to the book just like you. It was about 9 years ago, and I had never even heard anything about Ray Franz and his being kicked out.

  I think the awesome thing about COC is that Ray was in the Governing Body, and he was a writer for Watchtower. So he knew how to write in such a non-controversial way without bitterness and heavy opinions. Plus he knew what they were doing at the Ivory Tower.

  I tried writing about Jehovah's Witnesses, and it was just a bitter read loaded with heavy judgement. I had to abandon it.