Posts by OnTheWayOut

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Best Argument for Atheism - In your view.

by LAWHFol in

if crisis of conscience is one of the top watchtower doctrine killers, what is the coc of theism?.

i'd like to read a book, or other material that does the best job logically arguing for atheism.. i've not read any darwin, however it is my assumption that his focus is primarily on evolution, is this correct?

if you were to recommend one book or a few pieces of reading material, which do the best job of defending atheism, what would they be?.

OnTheWayOut

Don't take this the wrong way. There's not a single book that just wins people over to atheism. JW's might believe that Satan inspires some books. It's a path of (for lack of a better term) enlightenment as one observes the comparison between belief and skepticism. For me, being soured by the God I thought I knew was the biggest help toward enlightenment. The Bible is the best book to read to learn about God and how such a maniacal overlord just cannot exist. But some others that help:

"The God Delusion" http://www.amazon.com/The-God-Delusion-Richard-Dawkins/dp/0618918248

Also by Dawkins: "The Magic of Reality: How We Know What's Really True" http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1451675046/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687562&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0618918248&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0HV1Z9YQ97KJ1KSRYGD6

Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Spell-Religion-Natural-Phenomenon/dp/0143038338/ref=pd_sim_14_16?ie=UTF8&refRID=0HV1Z9YQ97KJ1KSRYGD6

Really, a great place to start is to follow the links at the bottom of each page of those links for "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought" and enjoy your own path of enlightenment and choose what you want to read.

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I need help with this one. What do you think I should do?

by Quarterback in

jw
friends

my wife is pleasant and easy to get along with.

she is also helpful to many.

lately, however, there is a jw sister who some are curious about has befreinded my wife.

OnTheWayOut

You start with your title, "What do you think I should do?" You make a strange statement: "...looks like a Lesbian, sounds like a Lesbian, and lately is starting to feel like a Lesbian."

Then, some give a serious answer in the same kind of tone, and you blast them:

Ignorance: When a fly walks on your shoulders, do you just leave it there and make it feel like home?

James: We are not worried about catching anything, and we are not prudish. We don't want a reason to worry about it.

I know you are seriously asking for help, but YOU DID ASK and you started out with the goofy tone about lesbians, so lighten up.

And seriously, the suggestion to cock block her by sitting in the second seat from the end where your wife will sit on the end is a very good one.

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After 2 years my parents make contact. The end result is that I promise them to cryogenically preserve ONLY their heads

by paulmolark in

it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.

i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.

a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.

OnTheWayOut

Not that I would answer, but if I did...I would say "Don't worry. Your Jehovah has definitely removed any motherly love you claimed you had."

I give allowance for family being in a dangerous mind control cult. But some are too far wrapped up in it. My condolences on the loss of family to Watchtower.

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Reasons there is no God

by Lemonp in

ok, lets assume that god created everything as is, with no evolution involved.

this is what jw's teach based on a singular vague verse in genesis.

made according to their types.

OnTheWayOut

Yes, "Creation" alone demonstrates the lack of a loving creator.

I tend to mention birth defects and disease among children, but creation attacking a puppy is also proof enough.

It doesn't prove there is no god, but amply proves that if there was a god, he's a real ball-buster.

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Do you consider this site Godly or Ungodly

by Truthexplorer in

over the years, i have seen a change in heart with the country i grew up in and the general view of what they perceive as how everyone should view things in relation to morality.

a strictly religious country for centuries now forever changed within a short number of years.

i have also seen the viewpoint on this site gradually change in many ways.

OnTheWayOut

I fully believe that Gods word was inspired and that his moral standards are for our (mankind's) benefit....absolutely. Wake up people

Wake up yourself.

The Bible says that women are property and should be silent in church and obey their husbands. The Bible says it’s okay to beat your slaves as long as you don’t kill them. The Bible says to kill your children if they talk back to you. The Bible orders you to kill witches.

At no point in the Bible is there a coherent, systematic break down of morality. The 10 Commandments is the closest it gets, and even those (on a whole) do more damage than good, and the rest of the commandments following those 10 are maniacal and contradict other commandments elsewhere in the Bible.

Using the Bible as a moral code will leave you confused, self-loathing, illogical and fanatical.

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A Total Waste of Time "In The Field"

by OnTheWayOut in

so i am walking down the street in a spanish neighborhood and two men, obviously jw's, are standing between houses writing furiously on their tiny slips.

i am nearly a block away approaching and they just kept writing the whole time i walked up.

i finally arrive to pass them and they are still both writing.

OnTheWayOut

Ohiamfree, I think the difference is that you rang a bell and the person you might talk to expects a pitch from you and can simply end the pitch or listen, but the person in the street is going somewhere or engaged in some activity and he doesn't stop to answer the door, but you have to stop him. You have to interrupt at a different level than knocking at the door. Really though, it is about the same. He can accept or reject quickly and move on if he wants to.

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How many times were you told, "You Just Don't Qualify Yet to be an Elder"

by John Aquila in

you think it's the holy spirit that appoints the elders, at least that's what new jw males are told.

the culture within the organization dictates to all young male jehovah's witnesses that unless you are an elder, you will not get the sultry, passionate- brunette, the voluptuous, curvaceous,- blond, or the seductive, erotic, red headed-vamp..

so unaware of the social forces that are shaping your mind, you succumb to the dictum issued by the governing body to conform to the structure already in place- if you want to be successful.

OnTheWayOut

I moved up the ladder pretty quick. I was the "study" of one of the powerhouse elders, and making me into a prodigy was a feather in his cap. I was totally blown away by the appointment about 6 years after baptism as a young adult. It was pretty early on for a Dub. Plus, I was so totally into the religion that I probably seemed like a good company man.

I was already married to a JW about the same time I was appointed an MS, so I never got my seductive, erotic, red headed vamp. I sure would have liked that.

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After 2 years my parents make contact. The end result is that I promise them to cryogenically preserve ONLY their heads

by paulmolark in

it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.

i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.

a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.

OnTheWayOut

At least she can mark a "Return Visit" down for that one.

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A Total Waste of Time "In The Field"

by OnTheWayOut in

so i am walking down the street in a spanish neighborhood and two men, obviously jw's, are standing between houses writing furiously on their tiny slips.

i am nearly a block away approaching and they just kept writing the whole time i walked up.

i finally arrive to pass them and they are still both writing.

OnTheWayOut

oppostate, the neighborhood I live in is over 90% Spanish. They do every door and may have to send in a slip when they find someone like me that does not speak Spanish. Most are dual language, perhaps weak in English but still better at it than me and my Spanish, but many speak Spanish only.

AFRIKANMAN, you add to my point very well. There was a time when the majority spent some effort reaching people. Now, the majority does not try to reach people. But they still waste their time taking notes or sitting/standing by a cart.

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A Total Waste of Time "In The Field"

by OnTheWayOut in

so i am walking down the street in a spanish neighborhood and two men, obviously jw's, are standing between houses writing furiously on their tiny slips.

i am nearly a block away approaching and they just kept writing the whole time i walked up.

i finally arrive to pass them and they are still both writing.

OnTheWayOut

SoCal101, that sounds so strange. I have watched enough LAW AND ORDER on television to know that if someone is asking about my neighbors, I don't think I should give them information.

Thanks for sharing your stories, StarTrekAngel. I am glad you enjoyed your day and I am glad you stopped doing that stuff 6 months ago.