OnTheWayOut

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  Fading and finding our REAL beliefs

  by BeautifulMind in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey all.

  i hope you are all having a good day.

  just a quick update on our fade.

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  OnTheWayOut

  For some reason, I can't post on your thread. By clicking on the quote symbol, I got around that. I assume most people will have the same problem, and won't be able to quote. Anyway, you sound like wonderful people and that's a great update.
  
  If I can make one suggestion, Try to enjoy life and consider fading fast in your situation. If you are not well-known, you only increase the chances that elders will get involved the longer you are popping up at meetings.
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  If you were undeniably anointed with holy spirit what would you do?

  by Splash in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so you have had some kind of supernatural revelation, a personal message from god and some miraculous sign that you have been personally chosen by the almighty, what would you do?.

  would you be the same as every other wt'ite, dragging yourself to the meetings, getting your 10 hours in each month, maybe pioneering?.

  listen!

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  If I have been UNDENIABLY chosen, then I should have audience with that Almighty.

  So I would ask him WTF he is doing? The 2004 tsunami, the 2010 Haiti earthquake, cancer, all birth defects, and most of all- "Why don't you just show people who you are and tell them what you expect of them?"

  
  
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  I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

  by John Aquila in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

  we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

  but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

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  So everything that Watchtower says that can be proven wrong has been proven wrong, but everything that has no absolute proof that would be acceptable to this guy, like how man is only 6065 years old and Armageddon has been right around the next corner since 1914, is still right.

  And regardless of how it isn't just a few bad men in the organization, but it is the Governing Body's policies and contributions to coverups that caused the pedophile problem, he will just say there's bad people everywhere.
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  Could this be the future for the Watchtower?

  by C0ntr013r in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  been researching the mormons a little since they are quite similar to the jws.

  they have a similar webpage and many videos to "help" the mormons in their faith.

  i found this video done by abc4 news:.

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  OnTheWayOut

  A huge difference between Mormons and JW's is in counting membership. JW's still count those "publisher's record cards" for their numbers. So their numbers are of active members. But there may be quite a bit of cheating on those numbers. Peak numbers would include counting the same person more than once when they turn in more than one slip for current and past months. Peak numbers include the elderly that they decide must still be counted so someone turns in a slip for them. Peak numbers include parents that never go out in recruiting but turn in a slip for their home study with the kids, and others who never go out but turn in an hour.

  Also, a huge percentage of JW numbers would be over 50 years old (many way over that) and there just aren't numbers coming in to replace them as they die. So they are in a similar situation as the Mormons, but may be a decade or two behind before it reaches a critical point of shrinking membership. Yes, that could be the future for the Watchtower.
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  What does it mean to be inactive??

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well, i sat through day 1 or the "imitate jesus" convention.

  they released the new brochure for inactive ones.

  while no tomo-esque rants took place, it seems that the official policy is that "inactivity" merits the death sentence.

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  If being "inactive" and attending no meetings led to being automatically disassociated, I would go to the kingdom hall in my best t-shirt and shorts with sandals about once every 5 months (don't want to slip and let it get to 6 and they say that's close enough) and arrive late in the Sunday talk, sit in the front, and during the Watchtower meeting go to the back and say "Who should I turn in this time slip (1 hour) to for this month?"
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  GeeJay at the RC: highlights, paraphrases and translations.

  by sparrowdown in

  1. social
  2. humour

  q: is there anyone that has the permanent role of coordinator or chairman?.

  geejay: no, we rotate yearly...... (translaton) we are all sparticus.. geejay: we are a faith driven org, we are not a group of lawyers, being overly concerned with legal matters..... fave quotes .

  on establishing headship principle 1cor 14: 33-35, 1 cor 11:3. geejay:...... that's talking about women not excitedly jumping up arguing with others..... geejay: ......our literature has said it, and we agree!.

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  I would kinda like women to be excitedly jumping up during meetings.
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  Is Jackson embarrassed to be a JW?

  by Doubting Bro in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i listened to the majority of jackson's part one testimony and it seems apparent to me that he either:1) is embarrassed to be a jw or 2) doesn't really believe.

  i've heard countless times from the platform and in print that we should be proud to be jws and take every opportunity to defend our beliefs.

  yet, it seems jackson didn't even want to admit that he believed he was being directly used by jehovah to lead the congregation as his spokesman.

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  Remember theocratic warfare and their always having two different answers for controversial stuff. For the high courts and kings of the world, "why, we are just elders gathered in Brooklyn from among thousands of anointed ones, and we just pray over matters the same as anyone can do."
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  How many Jehovahs witnesses do you think watched the royal commission

  by Sabin in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  do you think any jws watched the hearing to lend soupport to their gb member.

  brother jackson?

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  There were at least 6 G.B. members and 30 helpers that watched. A handful of lawyers and of course, G. Jackson's father. I imagine a high number of Australian JW's watched in secret. But not so many others.
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  Did you hear Stewart use the bible to prove an incredibly good point to Jackson!!

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i thought at the end, stewart made brilliant use of scripture (about establishing fornication or other sexually immoral practises) how, in such a clever way stewart used scripture to point out that some one could basically stake out someone's house to see if a person stayed over night be they homosexual or heterosexual............that on the basis of a sort of stakeout, the two witness rule was ambivalent yet it prevailed.

  due to sufficient suspicion.. and therefore why did this "suspicion" not prevail with child sexual abuse.

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  Jackson is doing well "in the eyes of Jehovah's Witnesses." He's ducking and weaving and they will be proud of him. But he is pissing these RC folks off and I think the outcome will be damning to Watchtower because they are not really willing to do anything to prevent child abuse in the Good Ole Boys Club in the future beyond mandatory reporting. The RC wants to protect children. The RC will see that if the perpetrator is a male JW, particularly an elder, that the Governing Body is not willing to change policy enough to make the child feel safer coming forward with an allegation.

  Jackson wants them to institute mandatory reporting and be done with the matter. I think he will be in for a letdown.
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  Did you hear Stewart use the bible to prove an incredibly good point to Jackson!!

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i thought at the end, stewart made brilliant use of scripture (about establishing fornication or other sexually immoral practises) how, in such a clever way stewart used scripture to point out that some one could basically stake out someone's house to see if a person stayed over night be they homosexual or heterosexual............that on the basis of a sort of stakeout, the two witness rule was ambivalent yet it prevailed.

  due to sufficient suspicion.. and therefore why did this "suspicion" not prevail with child sexual abuse.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Stewart also did a fine job of talking about how the woman raped in the field did not have two witnesses and yet her assailant was stoned to death, so the Bible already has examples that violate JW rules.