Posts by OnTheWayOut

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The salvation paradox

another thing that has bothered me-.

if the righteous and the unrighteous will be resurrected, and will have the same chance at paradise as the hard-core dubs, what was the point of being hard core?

i know the point used to be "well, armageddon is gonna happen this weekend, and you'll survive and they won't!

So truly, instead of sending a bunch of weirdos out to recruit more Jehovah's Witnesses, they would get more results if they send out members to kill people before the great tribulation. That way, they would get a resurrection instead of judgement. And it would be much easier to believe this crap is real after getting a resurrection.

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Angry at first

by BeautifulMind in

so when my mom died in 2007 the main thing that kept me from losing it was that i knew i would see her again in the earthly paradise that i read and sang about in the jw publications.

i honestly fully believed in it.

we were best friends and it was devastaing to lose her.

OnTheWayOut

I have to chime in with Flipper. You can reach a state of peace about not seeing a loved one after their death ever again, but you have to process how they wasted their life in that religion instead of spending more time enjoying the life they had.....how they allowed Watchtower to separate them from family.

Like Flipper, I try to remember that they were lied to, I was lied to, and make sure my resentment is toward the organization. But also, I try to move on and let go of what I can.

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Inside Scientology and Escaping the Witnesses - Mon 24th channel 5

by not bitter in

jw
friends

thats it really.

uk channel 5 at pm mon 24th.. maybe its already been posted but sounds interesting.

OnTheWayOut

It says it ain't available now and to try later:

http://www.channel5.com/shows/inside-scientology-and-escaping-the-witnesses/episodes/inside-scientology-and-escaping-the-witnesses

Oh, here it is from another thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-da6B0M1Y5s&feature=youtu.be

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Has this been discussed, the WT Letter about use of K.Halls ?

by Phizzy in

OnTheWayOut

"We need all your money for new Kingdom Hall projects, but the projects are somewhere other than your location. Not only will we merge congregations as we see fit, but we want you to feel it is a wonderful thing and for you to volunteer to inconvenience yourselves after paying for your Kingdom Hall. If your Hall or a nearby Hall isn't crammed, then you really aren't serious about aiding your brothers worldwide. "

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Elderly widows targeted, convinced to sign over Power of Attorney and Personal Representative of Estate

by Stop.the.abusers in

i discovered that my 96-year-old grandaunt had named her jw elder as personal representative of her estate and another jw "best friend" as her power of attorney.

i learned that they used a financial advisor at wells fargo advisors to help raid my grandaunts bank accounts in the years before her death, and then the wt and jws received most of what was left of her estate.

i am currently working on a book to expose this horrific practice.

OnTheWayOut

I can imagine that nobody wants to prosecute or cover the story because there really is no evidence. People regularly visited a woman who broke her hip and health went downhill in her mid-90's. She clearly stated she wanted to stay at home and did not seem unhappy with her care.

The real story is that she should not have to suffer while ill, especially with so much money in the bank. But prosecutors will assume this is about money and inheritance instead of the neglect in the report.

I am confident that you are right. I just try to see the other sides of a matter. It sounds like you would be happiest to see these vultures found guilty of a crime more so than getting an inheritance. It doesn't seem that you will get that.

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Paul Grundy being interviewed on ABC 612 right now

by Anonymous1 in

http://www.abc.net.au/radio/stations/local_brisbane/live?play=true

OnTheWayOut

I will have to listen later. Paul has been so helpful with his work.

http://www.abc.net.au/radio/programitem/pe5A3ppwZ3

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have you been moved by something you have read.

by Sabin in

i found this book by carmel reilly, it`s called dear god.

childrens letters to god from around the world.

i promise you that if you are having a bad day this book what ever your believes will lift your spirits.

OnTheWayOut

I think you will find that this forum is loaded with people who have been moved by something they read, or by just a song.

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Court seizes over one million Jehovah's Witnesses brochures brought into Russia

by StarTrekAngel in

http://red.theworldnewsmedia.org/index.php/en/forum-home-page/jehovah-s-witnesses/93-court-seizes-over-one-million-jehovah-s-witnesses-brochures-brought-into-russia

OnTheWayOut

Village Idiot, it is easy to see how Russia goes too far. I was just pointing out that we as ex=JW's should see that, regardless of how they overstep and trample freedoms in Russia (treatment of the LGBT community is a great example), they may be right about this one.

I was giving room for disagreement opinions on the degree to which government should go. So fair enough: You think calling for killings is a clear line that should not be crossed. I think JW literature "loaded with hate of other beliefs and encourage[ing] violations of human rights via shunning" is a clear line.

I can see where I might be biased on this. It is possible that I would defend Nazi hate speech (although I doubt it) ahead of cult speech. It just might be as Cantleave says above: it couldn't happen to a more deserving cult.

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Why Me?

by John Aquila in

do you ever wonder why out of all the witnesses, you are the one that woke up?

i wonder many times why me.

i know many men and women that are much, much better persons than me; either they are much smarter, more humble, kinder, more successful, or just better persons all around.

OnTheWayOut

As amazed as I was when I discovered TTATT, I am more of the thought, "Why not the rest of them?" I read somewhere (probably on this forum) that Jehovah's Witnesses should really be kind of a ten-to-fifteen-years-and-you're-out kind of religion. I didn't agree on the time factor, but otherwise thought it had some merit. I thought that many many many members would do as I did and examine the changing doctrines.

But it just isn't so. It frustrates me to no end to point out a huge problem with the JW's, like telling my wife about all that's going on in Australia and the failed policies, and all she does is say "No, they report such allegations. This can't be true." And no matter what I said or add to it, she wouldn't even consider examining unbiased reports for herself.

The rewiring of the brain is sufficient in a majority of cases to prevent members from committing thoughtcrime. "They said they joined the UN for a library card, so that's it." "They said they report these crimes committed by a few bad people who joined the organization, so they do, and they get rid of the bad people." "They have all of their chronology worked out on charts, so it is so."

No, truly I am amazed that so many more don't wake up.

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Court seizes over one million Jehovah's Witnesses brochures brought into Russia

by StarTrekAngel in

http://red.theworldnewsmedia.org/index.php/en/forum-home-page/jehovah-s-witnesses/93-court-seizes-over-one-million-jehovah-s-witnesses-brochures-brought-into-russia

OnTheWayOut

No matter how much I despise the Watchtower I am a firm believer in religious and non-religious rights. Whether it be Mormonism, Scientology or whatever they have a right to print and distribute their crap.

Here in the United States, people cherish freedom of speech, but they recognize that the government will limit that because of speech that involves incitement (urging someone to behave unlawfully) , false statements of fact, obscenity, child pornography, or threats.

While such issues are never going to be easy to define and agree upon, government has always stepped in to place limits on speech, even in the land of free speech. We know, more than the Russian government, that JW literature is loaded with hate of other beliefs and encourages violations of human rights via shunning. So, while people will argue about whether that should be their right to distribute their crap, please try to understand that there is a governmental responsibility to regulate free speech.