Posts by OnTheWayOut

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Samuel Herd's statement about donations and Cialdini's social proof

by slimboyfat in

samuel herd made a statement a few weeks ago about halting construction work, laying off bethel workers and reducing printing output: severe cutbacks all round.

he said, like the head of a household, the gb has to make sure the organisation is living within its means.

but he added a very careful phrase, something like: "be assured brothers these measures have not been taken as a result of any lack of financial support on your part.

OnTheWayOut

I stated this on another thread, that this is very much like "1984." My new mantra will by my take on Watchtower's money statements:

"There is a money problem, but there is no money problem, there is no expansion but there is expansion, and no matter what else you take from this- send more money and everything is fine....and forget that we already took all your previous money."

It goes too far. I actually picture the two brothers in the Eddie Murphy movie, TRADING PLACES. The GB members place a bet with each other whether they can take all the money and ask for more yet, but still keep all the members believing that everything is fine.

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You contemptible worms aren't giving us enough! GIVE US MORE! Service meeting part December 21, 2015

by sir82 in

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from the october 19 letter to the body of elders:.

to all bodies of eldersre: service meeting part for week of december 21, 2015dear brothers:the service meeting for the week of december 21, 2015, includes a ten-minute part entitledshow appreciation for jehovahs generosity.

this is to be a talk based on the november15, 2015, watchtower, pages 14-15. sometime during this part, the video a gift in hand to jehovahshould be played for the congregation.

OnTheWayOut

Punk, that's awfully advanced thinking for the members to do- "Give just your time and effort and Jehovah will make sure that 'HIS' organization is blessed with money from 'this wicked system of things.'"

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Restructuring Bethel

by LaFrancia in

an announcement to all congregation in italy :.

the project of a new bethel in italy was allocated .

the number of temporary special pioneers will be reduced significantly.

OnTheWayOut

This is very much like "1984." Winston Smith rewrites past newspaper articles, so that the historical record always supports the party line. Then Winston is expected to believe the same new story even though he was part of changing the past truth into a present lie.

Here, members have already been forced to give up their congregation money for the sake of building projects. They are told all at once that they have given generously and the money isn't keeping up with the expansion and that building projects (expansion) will not take place in many instances, and that only areas where there is more donation money will get Kingdom Halls. So right there, almost literally in one breath, they are told... "There is a money problem, but there is no money problem, there is no expansion but there is expansion, and no matter what else you take from this- send more money and everything is fine....and forget that we already took all your previous money."

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You contemptible worms aren't giving us enough! GIVE US MORE! Service meeting part December 21, 2015

by sir82 in

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friends

from the october 19 letter to the body of elders:.

to all bodies of eldersre: service meeting part for week of december 21, 2015dear brothers:the service meeting for the week of december 21, 2015, includes a ten-minute part entitledshow appreciation for jehovahs generosity.

this is to be a talk based on the november15, 2015, watchtower, pages 14-15. sometime during this part, the video a gift in hand to jehovahshould be played for the congregation.

OnTheWayOut

I agree with d4g. They are going too far with money problems. It shows a lack of God's blessings and something is wrong.

.....or it is an example of Watchtower trying to be just like the God that George Carlin describes:

"He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money!”

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You contemptible worms aren't giving us enough! GIVE US MORE! Service meeting part December 21, 2015

by sir82 in

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friends

from the october 19 letter to the body of elders:.

to all bodies of eldersre: service meeting part for week of december 21, 2015dear brothers:the service meeting for the week of december 21, 2015, includes a ten-minute part entitledshow appreciation for jehovahs generosity.

this is to be a talk based on the november15, 2015, watchtower, pages 14-15. sometime during this part, the video a gift in hand to jehovahshould be played for the congregation.

OnTheWayOut

This stuff just won't work. A bump in donations for the "Christmas season" will just mean less money in January. Increases from congregations mean reductions in profit as assemblies.

Uneducated people can only earn so much

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One Year Later - A Thank You to Tony Morris.

by cappytan in

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dear anthony morris, iii:.

i wanted to send you a note of "thanks" on this special day.. why is this day special, you may ask?

one year ago today, you, tony, woke me up to the fact that the governing body could not have jehovah's blessing or direction.. last year, on november 8th & 9th, 2014, the united states branch visit was broadcast to over 1,000,000 jehovah's witnesses across the country.. as i sat at the kingdom hall listening to the "historic occasion," i was ignoring certain doubts that had surfaced in the few months prior.

OnTheWayOut

Thanks Tony, for helping me gain a brother in Cappytan.

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Brian Williams should interview Ben Carson

by Simon in

just imagine the crazy stories they could invent together !.

ben carson has to be finished as a candidate doesn't he?

can you imagine him being the republican nominee?

OnTheWayOut

I heard Ben Carson's reply to the media about his offer of a scholarship to West Point. He did quite well. He did okay defending his past even though the media could not confirm it.

Don't get me wrong. Ben is living in a fantasy world. Nobody gets a free scholarship to West Point. They all get a free admission when they are chosen. But I could see Ben believe that he was offered what he said. I could see him remembering a stabbing incident that was probably just some stupid careless flinging of a knife or boxcutter or something. I don't see a liar, I see a delusional man.

I laughed and laughed at the comment about Joseph building the pyramids to store grain. That's not in the Bible, people have been inside the pyramids and know what they were built for, plus the timing is all wrong. But why should facts get in the way?

As far as Republicans go, I actually like Ben somewhat. But his plans might be laced with delusional ideas just as bad as his thoughts on the pyramids. And Congress would eat him alive.

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2015 10-20-BOE!

by Atlantis in

2015, 10/20/boe.. .. re: making wise use of printed magazines.. .. page 2: .

this postscript should neither be read to the congregation nor be posted .

on the information board.. .

OnTheWayOut

The pioneers and others are always wanting to fill out high numbers on their slip, including each column with no "ZERO." So working at a booth or encouraging people to go to the website hasn't been satisfying for them.

This also sets them up to allow for a huge shortage of magazines and encouraging the members to "place" something else. As long as they get to "count" it, the members will be fine.

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Possible reason for cancellation of book study in homes.

by Amelia Ashton in

this was posted on fb.. so guys, i'm gonna share something with you all that i think you should know.

i've only told two people about this (one being john cedars) for fear of getting this guy into trouble, but it's very telling and will reaffirm your "ttatt faith!

a couple of weeks ago, i had to have an "ability to protect" assessment by a gentleman from a company that also investigates child protection policies etc.

OnTheWayOut

I copied it from FB it wasn't me. I figured if it was on FB then it was "out there" so ok to post here.

Sorry, I missed that. So somebody else decided to just whisper it on FB, figuring only a few people would notice. Hee Hee.

It does sound like them. Many urgent decisions are being made by lawyers now.

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How confident are you about various so called facts?

by slimboyfat in

no facts about the world are absolutely certain.

that being the case i wonder how others would rank amd rate their confidence in various factual statements about the world.

i am going to rate my confidence in ten items of "knowledge" as a percentage.

OnTheWayOut

I am getting tired explaining this. For all the reasons I have explained above it is clearly stupid to insist that the earth is definitely not flat. It's daft.

Let me try this one for you. There is this one philosophy that would fit a "flat earth." This philosophy says that our entire existence- the planet, the solar system, the galaxy, the universe as we know it- could all be essentially a holographic projection. We could all be two-dimensional beings in a two-dimensional universe.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle

The problem is that we live within it, so we need to base our understanding of the universe on our observations from within the two-dimensions. We see spherical objects with three dimensions. So even if such a strange philosophy were true, it wouldn't change "our view."

I don't even give such an idea a fraction of a percentage. If you do that, then you have to give other thoughts a fraction- we are all just a computer simulation or a dream. Only I exist and you all are part of a fake universe meant to distract me/entertain me. YADDA YADDA.

Oh, and thanks for insulting me and others. I would rather be "clearly stupid" than give up my 100%.