so yesterday was a lovely day where i live and so instead of going to the meeting we went, as a family, out for the late pm/early evening to have a bbq.
we were far more relaxed than if we had gone to the meeting.
we spent far more time talking that if we had gone to the meeting.
kc99 (can I call you that?) I did a fast fade over a period of 7 to 8 months. Everyone has to look at what they need to do. I have a JW wife who is too far "in" to get out, and I have no kids. No kids means no shunning by Grandma or a forced constant issue with my spouse over holidays, sports, hobbies, friends, future goals.
I tend not to agree with a very long fade, but that's me. As long as you have some progress- some goals. Your skipping some meetings sounds like you do have those.
so, keeping in mind that mrs. eden isn't so comfortable with english, i have been searching for books on the subject of the historical jesus and who wrote the bible, and i got very frustrated because there's not a lot of those in my native language.
most of what i read in english simply hasn't been translated, which is a shame.
in any case, i managed to get two: bart ehrman's "misquoting jesus" and reza aslan's "zealot".
TimDrake1914 on page 1: Bart seemed to view Zealot as more of a fictionalized account of Jesus, rather than an actual scholarly take on Jesus.
Yes. While it isn't written as fiction, I took it as a fiction that said "Who would Jesus have to be in order to grow up and live in that time in a way to become literally immortalized?" But to me, it was a scholarly explanation.
There are now plenty of Jesus-Isn't-Real books, so it was refreshing to read. Even if it's a fiction, it helps the reader to understand the culture that could create the "zealots" for the era.
last week where i live we had the worst wind storm in the history of our area.
we had gust of 71 miles an hour from 3 in the afternoon till 8 at night.
it was like a hurricane at times the wind did sound like a freight train.
LITS, I am glad you all are okay from your storm. Yes, Christendom has many groups that are not all about the money, and even those included, they can be wonderful people who reach out to ANYONE and offer help.
I can't say how it sickens me when I hear of JW's telling JW people of lesser means that it is fine to take advantage of some of the things Christian programs offer them. Those comments are few are far between as Christendom is from Satan, but they come up when it's a matter of a JW congregation helping or those agents of Satan.
this is a facebook link and i just can't bring myself to dig into jw .
org and find it.there's no trick here, but i think you have to be logged in to see it.
if anyone could figure out how to repost this, that would be great.
Yes, that's it. Thanks. Everyone, go to wifibandit's link: Nothing to see here.
Really, I didn't know it was posted. You guys are so "on top of things." I knew it was important to pass along.
this is a facebook link and i just can't bring myself to dig into jw .
org and find it.there's no trick here, but i think you have to be logged in to see it.
if anyone could figure out how to repost this, that would be great.
this is a facebook link and i just can't bring myself to dig into jw .
org and find it.there's no trick here, but i think you have to be logged in to see it.
if anyone could figure out how to repost this, that would be great.
They act like they used to believe (FOR SO LONG) that "this generation" was "the wicked."
It demonstrates that they flipped and flopped just so they could refer to the old light as something that most witnesses never really thought sounded right, and to ignore all those years of mentioning the 1914 generation.
And then they go on to do the math and details about Fred Franz as if he is a huge key to "the overlapping generation." Oh, and they leave some wiggle room for extending "this generation."
this is a facebook link and i just can't bring myself to dig into jw .
org and find it.there's no trick here, but i think you have to be logged in to see it.
if anyone could figure out how to repost this, that would be great.
This is a facebook link and I just can't bring myself to dig into jw . org and find it.
There's no trick here, but I think you have to be logged in to see it. If anyone could figure out how to repost this, that would be great. It's such garbage from jw . org.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMbPBb5k_Mc&feature=youtu.be
so i'm sure a good number of us saw the chart that i believe the poster splash put on another thread of figures since 1990 regarding how many baptized and % of increase each year .
i started analyzing it ( and i know some referred to it briefly on the other thread ) and guessing of reasons the % of increase didn't match the number of newly baptized.
and of course common sense tells us that either jw's leave the cult each year through death, fading into inactivity, or getting dfed.
I have to chime in with Crazy guy from page 1. Children of publishers are the main source of baptisms and they are already counted as publishers. WTS is probably counting as many unbaptized kids as possible to stay up in numbers, and they are running out of kids to count.
In all the ways to count people, WTS will choose a weird method now that their current method is a problem for "growth. "
i don't have all the details of their new "service year" numbers, but i have read enough on jwn to state my opinion pretty strongly.. memorial attendance for 2015 was down.while they kept saying they were going to build a bunch of new kingdom halls, and everybody is still in recovery from watchtower taking all the local money away, they say pretty much that there isn't enough money to build new kingdom halls.putting gb members on the videos at jw .
org has allowed people to really put a face and personality to these guys and remove the mystery of how they should be such deeply spiritual serious men.
instead they see silly thoughts about tight pants and, really everything that comes out of lett's mouth is delivered ultra-goofy, along with the money reports.. the gb lost credibility a little more with every new light that shone down, with the strangest one being "overlapping generation.
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Phizzy, we can all declare it together. More on this in my reply to One Eyed Joe in this same post below.
One Eyed Joe, I wonder if they will start saying they will no longer tabulate. "The numbers of online responses make the numbers for active publishers meaningless." Or maybe actually dropping turning in reports except for pioneers. That one sounds radical, but radical is what they are being and whatever they choose to do, I imagine they want to hide the eventual drop in members.
Looking forward to your thoughts Steve.
i don't have all the details of their new "service year" numbers, but i have read enough on jwn to state my opinion pretty strongly.. memorial attendance for 2015 was down.while they kept saying they were going to build a bunch of new kingdom halls, and everybody is still in recovery from watchtower taking all the local money away, they say pretty much that there isn't enough money to build new kingdom halls.putting gb members on the videos at jw .
org has allowed people to really put a face and personality to these guys and remove the mystery of how they should be such deeply spiritual serious men.
instead they see silly thoughts about tight pants and, really everything that comes out of lett's mouth is delivered ultra-goofy, along with the money reports.. the gb lost credibility a little more with every new light that shone down, with the strangest one being "overlapping generation.
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Simon, I wholeheartedly agree that JW members are just going through the motions. And just as everyone knows the minimum they need to do to stay out of trouble, they know the maximum they will dare to stray (or at least admit to). To me, this is part of the slow death- plenty of semi-active members hanging around for decades to come.
It is just my opinion as nobody can really know, but I think we have passed the point where lack of new recruits, combined with born-ins leaving and deaths, will cause Watchtower to be forced to look at a continual trend of reduction in members.
