Posts by OnTheWayOut

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The new Fred Franz?

by careful in

of course, no one could ever fully replace "our oracle for over 50 years" (ray franz quoting karl klein or someone else on the gb back in the days of gb i in cofc somewhere ), but i have to wonder just who on gb ii has come to fill fred franz's shoes the most.

it seems like it is david splane.

he appears to be in charge of the writing department, proposes and pushes thru the gb most of the doctrinal changes (he announces them so they're his baby), and like ff, fancies himself musically inclined.

OnTheWayOut

There are about 1300 mega churches in the USA (membership in individual church exceeds 2000). The largest is probably that of Joel Osteen. There's still televangelists galore. If there are that many gullible people who believe their pastor should be believed no matter what he says, there's room for someone to come along and replace Freddy.

But I don't think that "someone" is on the current GB. Give me a break - overlap generation. "Accept whatever we say even if it seems kind of goofy." (Paraphrase) "We aren't in money trouble, but we are in money trouble."

It is ripe for a hostile takeover likened to the one Joe Rutherford did. The next Freddy could come out after that happens.

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Sorry to bust anyone's bubble but the "bible" was written by misogynist desert nomads attempting to explain life

by park ave boy in

i remember growing up preparing for the number 2 talk and reading over the verses.

one time i had a chapter in joshua to read.

i started reading and i was like "wtf?

OnTheWayOut

You are preaching to the choir in my case.

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Creative day 7000 years, is this correct and how did the Org come up with this idea?

by Crazyguy in

any body know?

OnTheWayOut

I am sure One Eyed Joe has it right more or less. Later, they said creative days were "several thousands of years" long, so old JW'S would think "Yeah, 7 thousands" and young people with access to science at school would think "millions" and Watchtower would never admit they were previously wrong.

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Atheists and Christmas

by nicolaou in

yes, we can enjoy christmas!.

we can put up and decorate a xmas tree, wrap and give presents and get the whole section of non-jw family round for a big turkey dinner with all the trimmings - yum!.

we don't feel guilty about getting time off work and relaxing in front of all those cheesy xmas movies (baby's day out is still my favourite).. so if, unlike me, you want to frame your festivities in a story of a magical baby go right ahead, this thread isn't about belief bashing.. whatever your definition of the 'true meaning of christmas', mine is just as valid; it's the celebration of my freedom, my ability to choose how to live my life and who to share it's joys with.. so let this rabid, godless, antichrist of an atheist wish you all a very merry christmas!

OnTheWayOut

We can give up Christmas if Christians that give all credit to God will give up doctors and medicines and stick with prayer.

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Good books to read?

by thedepressedsoul in

i read crisis on the conscience and i am about to start, "who wrote the bible?

" does anyone have a list or great books to read for anyone searching for the real truth?

i've only ever seen the world through a jw lens and i am excited to see what other view points are out there!

OnTheWayOut

http://www.amazon.com/History-End-World-Controversial-Civilization/dp/0061349879

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A question .....

by Landy in

hi guys - new poster here.

i was brought up a jw in the uk and stopped going not long after i was married.

that was 20 years ago so i'm not really up to date with the current doctrinal flip flops or the new youtube obsessed gb.. came across this site while googling the name of a local elder who's just been convicted of possesion of a pc full of unpleasant pics of kids.. so, my question.

OnTheWayOut

So why do you do it? It's hard work for no gain. Why not just call it quits and fade away?

Even though people will give their answers that virtually always include loved ones, they should ask themselves your questions. Some could very well leave.

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Elders who dislike other congregation elders

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

my congregation had four elders who had different personalities.you would see a little friction among themselves.. #1 self-righteous and the 800 pound gorilla.he would push everyone around in the congregation and even some fellow elders.. # 2 elder was around 80 years old and looked like he stuck around a little too long.it looked like he was around because he never decided to give up the position.his duty became very light as he aged.. # 3 elder was in his early 30's and newly elected.he made no waves and whatever was asked of him in the congregation he would do.easy to push around like a little puppy dog.. #4 elder (who everyone liked ) was easy to get along with and had a family who everyone loved.

he didn't like elder # 1. they had a power struggle amongst each other which everyone observed while the meetings were in session.. here are 2 small verbal fights that i observed while the congregation meetings were in session:.

while elder # 1 was giving a talk ( heavy rain storms are brewing outside with loud thunder and lightning ) the microphones and lights are knocked out.we lost all power and could barely see.

OnTheWayOut

I was on BOE's that got along, but we had this one elder who really did what he could to sabotage the appointment of a particular M.S. because he didn't get along with him. It finally came to the point where we had to tell him to examine himself and his own qualifications, and to step aside if he couldn't accept the inevitable.

Other than that, I saw plenty of differences between different congregations that shared a hall. They would try to manipulate schedules and financial matters in a way that benefits one group over the other, to the suffering of all congregation members.

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What did you think was going to happen?!?

by Simon in

so my wife has to make some home-made cookies for a work x-mas cookie exchange (i've told her to grab a handful of the receptionists 'cause hers were nice last year).. anyway.

being a supportive husband i volunteer to help and my definition of "help" is anything to do with chocolate - specifically melting it to dip the cookies in.. "ok", she says, "thanks!".

i can't believe my luck.

OnTheWayOut

...and you nor your wife wanted to grab a handful of anything else from this so-called receptionist?

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Finally heard a Dub defend overlapping generations

by Socrateswannabe in

since the overlapping generations doctrine was introduced, i have found the jws i know to be uncharacteristically silent on the subject.

i can't remember hearing a single dub try to defend this idiocy.

but that all ended recently.

OnTheWayOut

I get this now.

It's just like when they tell someone that "trinity" is not in the Bible. "Overlapping" generation isn't there either. So they scoff at one and lap up the other.

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What did you think was going to happen?!?

by Simon in

so my wife has to make some home-made cookies for a work x-mas cookie exchange (i've told her to grab a handful of the receptionists 'cause hers were nice last year).. anyway.

being a supportive husband i volunteer to help and my definition of "help" is anything to do with chocolate - specifically melting it to dip the cookies in.. "ok", she says, "thanks!".

i can't believe my luck.

OnTheWayOut

(I've told her to grab a handful of the receptionists 'cause hers were nice last year)

Wow! Maybe the real meaning behind that statement will come out.