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There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting in

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jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

there is another mode for how he exists.

now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

OnTheWayOut

OnTheWayOut Science cannot and I repeat cannot explain what caused the formation in the first place. It can only attempt to explain the how but not what triggered the trigger.

Incorrect. You cannot accept current explanations. To be fair, there were many things that science could not explain at one time, but now it can. "The Beginning" will eventually be well understood.

Regardless, belief does no better. What triggered the existence of God (and remember saying that "He just always was there" is not a complete answer unless you can explain that)?

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Why are the atheists on this site so hateful?

by HopeEverLasting in

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all us creationists try to do is offer true evidence that the one and only god is out there watching and looking down on us.

we present that certain scientists know the truth about god and that he is everything that we see from trees, life, weather, the air we breath, and even the most simple molecules.

but of course you atheists reject it because it is your nature to not be humble and see god because you want to rule your own life.

OnTheWayOut

All us creationists try to do is offer true evidence that the one and only God is out there watching and looking down on us. We present that certain scientists know the truth about God and that he is everything that we see from trees, life, weather, the air we breath, and even the most simple molecules.

So you come here to preach and insist that your view is absolute.

But of course you atheists reject it because it is your nature to not be humble and see God because you want to rule your own life.

You decide why we reject your claims instead of honestly seeing how they cannot be considered evidence.

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There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting in

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jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

there is another mode for how he exists.

now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

OnTheWayOut

Now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

"Many" would be a huge exaggeration unless we reach back into history when most scientists believed in God. The vast majority of living scientists who study abiogenesis and related fields are atheists. Even if that is argued and an extensive list of scientists who believe in a creator can be found, belief has nothing to do with the science.

They found things that just did not fit into the naturalistic framework. They found things that required intelligent design.

No. Some have argued that the accepted explanations by the majority of scientists are not accepted by all. Some have objected to the way things are explained. But they did not FIND any solid proofs that intelligent design was required. Overstate your argument and lose credibility.

They studied the nature of DNA, human cells, trees, fossils, and even thunderstorms. They looked at it without the preconceived notion that it just came into existence.

No true scientist ever looks at "it" with a notion that "it just came into existence." This shows that you are ignorant of science and just rambling on as a believer.

In this way, we could and I do mean we could say science proves God exists because some of the best scientists have saw fit for themselves through a lot of research that God exists.

You say "some of the best" because they agree with you. FALSE. WRONG. And your conclusion is meaningless as science has not proven God exists.

Now lets say evolution did come by chance. And that everything came from nothing. Well, first of all, what created the nothing? What created the means by which things were to come into existence? All atheistic evolutionists cannot seem to explain how other planets were formed. If they can't explain that then what makes them think they could explain how Earth came to be? At least the creationist scientist were able to research and see for themselves what made sense instead of baseless assumptions. I'd like to know what the general people here think.

Science can explain how planets were formed. They can explain how everything was formed. I will skip the rest of that argument because you will stick with "No, they can't." If a creationists rejects "something from nothing" theories because it goes against the way we understand things, he still has the problem of "God" coming into existence (or always being there). Science attempts to explain this, belief just stops and says it is a mystery or pretends it isn't a problem.

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I believe in Evolution and that God created life

by Crabby in

anyone else also hold this view or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?.

OnTheWayOut

Anyone else also hold this view (belief in evolution and that God created life)
or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?

You argue like Donald Trump. If I don't hold your view, I must "feel the need to argue."
If I don't hold your view, I don't "understand it at least."

Bullcrap.

And it's not a choice of two things. It's not either a single god (of your understanding) created life and evolution or did not.

There are multiple possibilities. But Zeus has not shown himself, neither has Odin or Yahweh.
Could a force of some type that has intelligence have created life? Sure. But as long as there is no evidence, I must live without making such a conclusion.

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Buy stuff from the Warwick build

by Darkknight757 in

got another email today about buying stuff.. dear brother butt munch.

in harmony with jesus' words at john 6:12, 'so nothing is wasted', we would like to announce a new location where you can purchase items that were used during the construction of the new world headquarters at warwick, ny.

all funds recouped in this manner will be used to support the worldwide work.. you may visit at the former dairy barn at watchtower farms, 900 red mills road, wallkill, ny 12589. hours of operation are from 10:00am to 6:00pm, tuesday through saturday.

OnTheWayOut

The vehicles and trailers on the website are not good deals at all. I guess they hope people buy their way into the kingdom.

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Hello Folks

by Tallon in

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a newbie here, joined about half an hour ago.

i started the fade about 10 years ago and have been totally inactive for about 3 years.

the reason being was that i became totally disillusioned.

OnTheWayOut

Welcome aboard from another fader.

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Keep the meeting going! (even if somebody's dying)

by TimeBandit in

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this is a true story.

it's about a sister named henriette venema.

she was a very loyal jw.

OnTheWayOut

LITS, don't kick yourself. Your husband minimized his own problem and waited to tell you. He set the tone for treating his chest pains as an inconvenience instead of a true emergency.

As an emergency worker, I have gone into a few churches. The "show" did not need to go on, and most priests/pastors seemed decent enough to make the patient a main concern.

At an emergency at a Kingdom Hall one time, they had moved the sister to the ladies room, you know-further into the Kingdom Hall instead of closer to the door. The men in charge allowed the sisters to deal with us men there to help and went back to the show, until we got her out of the Hall and some brother just had to put his suit jacket over her legs because her skirt rode up a tiny bit on our wheeled stair chair. They were so unhelpful that I made sure he didn't get his suit jacket back after we loaded her into the ambulance. At least someone called 911 for her.

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What Music have you Been Listening to this Last Year ? Post You tubes if you Like !

by flipper in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wktxjuyiat4.

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OnTheWayOut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0YoKzsjE-0

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Exit therapist

by Beachlover in

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i am having quite a bit of trouble leaving and fading.

does anyone have recommendations of an exit therapist?

it doesn't matter where they are located, i need to get out physically, mentally, and emotionally.

OnTheWayOut

Perry- No one denied that his miracles were real.

So wait a minute. The fictional account that bolsters Jesus did not include any factual record of anyone pointing out the fiction. Imagine that. Come to think of it, there is no record within the pages of Homer's ODDESEY where anyone says "Hold on there, readers. This is a fictional account of mythical events."

Perry, if you take a look in the mirror, you will see why we might come down hard on suggestions of using Jesus as a counselor. It's caused you to cease a proper examination of reality.

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Your thoughts on the Libertarian party

by James Mixon in

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i really like what governors w.weld and g. johnson bring to the table.. not familiar with the libertarian party and will do some investigation,.

but any thoughts on this party..

OnTheWayOut

If everyone worked for the greater good, the Libertarian platform of reduced government and personal freedoms (liberty) from oppressive government would be great. But greedy rich people will continue to poison us or pollute some way without government watching them. People will continue to be destitute in need of handouts or committing crimes without social security nets to catch them. We don't need the massive military spending we have, but we do need something more than the Libertarians would want.
Even though Libertarians are not generally anarchists, their anti-socialist government thoughts would probably lead to anarchy. I like some programs run as socialist programs- schools, libraries, roads, etc. Things that benefit the greater number of people being run by government with all contributing taxes toward them. Many Libertarians are Marxist socialists to a large degree. Again, I can agree in principle with them if I thought people were all working toward the greater good. But it never happened in China or the Soviet Union or Cuba or anywhere.

As far as civil liberties go, I tend to fully agree with Libertarians. Free thought is a philosophical viewpoint that holds opinions should be formed on the basis of science, logic, and reason, in contrast with authority, tradition, or other dogmas. They basically are for the rights of women, minorities, any sexual orientation, and any spiritual or non-spiritual practicing people.

I am way more in line with the Green Party that knows that any real change for the good involves a radical transformation of society for the benefits of all people on the planet, and wants to focus on social and environmental justice. They recognize that many people are more "empowered" than others and would work toward compelling such people to do what is best for the earth and all life upon it. They know there are no easy answers, but strive for non-violent solutions that democratically get everyone involved.

If the Green Party were empowered, it would not put all of it's focus on electoral politics as a way to bring change, but would be a bit harsh for awhile as it tried to bring about life-style changes so that more people (and the planet) would benefit more equally.

At least they seem to recognize that not all would work for the greater good and they would be better at dealing with that then the Libertarians.