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  Give my Cubbies some love!

  by JRK in

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  2. friends

  how many of you think the cubs deserve a world series championship for the first time in 108 years!?.

  jk.

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  Be sure to wear your Cubs colors in solidarity today.

  
  
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  Give my Cubs some love

  by JRK in

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  2. friends

  who finally wants the cubs to win a world series for the first time in 108 years?!.

  shout out the love, peeps!.

  jk.

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  Okay, looking tough. I say, bring out Bartman on a goat wearing a Mets hat to throw out the first pitch on Sunday and embrace the curse.
  
  I also say that while I root root root for the Cubbies, I will be okay if they lose.
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  Let's Be Honest - You or One of Your Ancestors Was an Idiot

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why were we ever a jw?

  were we mad?

  we must have been .... well, my excuse is that i knew nothing else.

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  I don't care for the "idiot" label even though I know what you are saying. My aunt went in to the JW's as a young college grad because the end of the world was coming. My mother got sucked in for the same thing.

  I am one of the big anomolies. I got away from it as a kid when Mom was DF'ed in 1976. She went back later but I did not. I have a never-JW dad, so I got a nearly normal teen life. I joined the military and then my life turned crazy due to an alcohol addiction. Following a suicide attempt, I turned to the only God I ever knew of, Jehovah.

  I feel "suckered" but intelligence is not the biggest factor.
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  Anybody else having trouble walking away?

  by JW-Matrix in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok...so i'm a 19 year old fifth generation jw.

  mentality, i've been out of the "truth" since i was 16(woke up after i was baptized ironically), but on the outside i'm a model jw.

  my parents are really devoted, my grandparents are super devoted, and so are my ants and uncles.

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  I have completely different circumstances, and I faded quickly. But I get why people are reluctant, are cautious. They have so many family they feel they will let down, lose contact with.

  But if you let time slip away, it's totally lost time. I think the best way to go about fading is to set goals. You live at home, so goals right now are going to have to be small. But you could certainly still work towards reducing your time spent in the Kingdom Hall- goals include arriving later, leaving the hall earlier after the meeting, getting out of the "recruiting" work as much as possible, ditching as many "privileges" as possible.

  College can help you reduce meeting attendance. If you still live at home then, maybe not. But get steady goals for that in mind for when you no longer live at home.
  
  You are already baptized. But don't let them ever get you to pioneer, even for a month. If you are a male, try to avoid further privileges in the hall. Definitely try to keep your future free by not dating a JW.
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  Rape Victim Forced To Listen To a Tape Of Her Assault In A JC

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is absolutely outrageous.

  a rape victim was forced to listen to herself being raped while the elders stopped and started the tape claiming she was consenting.

  even though during one of the assaults she was duct-taped, gagged and had a pillowcase over her head.

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  Regardless of the facts surrounding her "willingness" or "unwillingness" to return to the perpetrator multiple times, the suit against Watchtower seems pretty sound- knowingly elevating him to a position where he could do this.

  As far as the elders are concerned, playing the audio of the events, that's what you get when you tell window washers and janitors that they will have God's blessings on their decisions and allow them to let power go to their heads.
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  What happens to the elders?

  by Worldling9 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with so many khs closing and congos consolidating, what happens to the elders?

  clearly there won't be a place for all of them.

  would the older ones be the first to go, losing their long held positions of 'power'?.

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  I imagine the age-cap will come about if necessary. They can always have a campaign to convince older ones that they can be more valuable as examples of submissiveness to the "young" elders.
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  I am deeply ashamed that I didn't accept evolution until a few years ago...

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  so... i live in mexico and i am helping with an esl class (english as a second language).

  actually, i am helping with two classes.

  i get two days a week in which i just stand there and have a debate with the class, encouraging as many as possible to just talk... in english.. anyways, i like talking about subjects that generate debate.

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  JW Comedy By An Ex-JW

  by Joe Grundy in

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  2. humour

  deborah frances white 30 min radio show 14 oct.. highly recommended.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07x6mf3.

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  That was funny. I liked this other one from her even better, where she described being a teen JW. There, toward the end, she said something profound. When you leave JW's, you do everything you've given up on. Leaving a cult is like waking up from a coma- you have to live every year after that as if it's 3....and you spend a lot of time trying to live the year you should have been 18, because when I was 18, I lived like I was auditioning for the Wizard Of OZ.
  
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05r3srd
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  JW Comedy By An Ex-JW

  by Joe Grundy in

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  2. humour

  deborah frances white 30 min radio show 14 oct.. highly recommended.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07x6mf3.

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  I am listening right now. This is pretty good.
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  I need to know what is truth?

  by Chook in

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  2. bible

  is it a perception only.

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  Webster tells us that truth is “that which is true,” but that isn't very helpful. I could make a statement and say that it is a true statement, but that just leads to questions such as these; What is a true statement? Is it different from a statement made truthfully? Such highly abstract discussions will get us nowhere.
  
  Some feel that truth is subjective and personal, that one man’s truth comes from his inner feelings and
  thinking, his viewpoint. Many add that truth is relative, only defined by its comparison to something else. This would be similar to the abstract question, “What is beauty?” In subjective truth, different persons would
  have different truths. Outside of philosophy, truth is not generally thought of in subjective terms. Truth is determined by existing realities, based on facts independent of the mind. Most people think that truth is objective. Some go so far as to say that only absolute truth matters."Absolute truth" is defined as inflexible reality: fixed, invariable, unalterable facts.

  Even here, truth can be a perception. Absolute truth requires an absolute standard. If I make the objective statement that “Earth is the third planet out from the sun,” it seems like a fixed unalterable fact. But another person could ask, “Whose definition of ‘planet’ are you using?” “Is it possible that there are other undiscovered planets between the earth and sun?” “When you say ‘out from the sun,’ do you mean in distance or a straight line?”

  But to the original question, the definition of objective "truth" is generally that which is accepted by the vast majority as factual. Not a simple majority, but the VAST majority. So it's mostly boring uncontroversial facts. As soon as someone objects to the subject or the conclusions, they also decide to question whether something is "truth." Examples are things like global warming, or facts that fly in the face of beliefs.