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  First year with baby!

  by Darkknight757 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i wanted to share a few recent pics of izabella with everyone.

  this week marks her one year since her coming home from nicu.

  she has been growing and changing so much these last few months in particular.

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  OnTheWayOut

  So glad you took care of your special person without Watchtower instructions.
  Thanks for sharing.
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  God and the afterlife. Do you need to believe in both

  by moley in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i consider myself an atheist, i completely reject the idea of a totalitarian desert god/any god and the bible is a book of fairytales and folk legends.. i do however sort of believe that this life is not all there is.

  i’m not talking about heaven or hell but in a tangible state of being.. there are a few experiences i’ve had in my llife.

  could be imagined could be real.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Wiki: Afterlife is the concept that an essential part of an individual's identity or the stream of consciousness continues to manifest after the death of the physical body.
  
  Some beliefs include something like a soul living outside the body and some include reincarnation to another body.
  
  My spiritual path of research has taken me to looking to science rather than religion and philosophy for such answers. Science tells me that our individual existence (what makes us who we are inside our body) needs to include the physical portion of our brain. Neurons firing within that particular housing in their particular ways is what makes OnTheWayOut the person he is. Remove the housing and lose the individual.
  
  I do not believe that the personality can survive outside the brain in any way as a ghost or soul or energy on another plane of existence.
  
  Despite science fiction finding ways to overcome that, primarily by downloading the individual to a computer or seizing another body/brain, I doubt that such things would allow retention of the personality.
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  Does Disfellowshipping only prohibit spiritual contact with a DF family member or friend?

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all through my life, now in my 40's, i've seen df people get completely shunned by family and friends, but an ex elder showed me the stfog book that says it's just spiritual contact that stops.

  so what's the crack?

  i'm mega confused, as i want to go p.o.m.o or ideally da but don't want to loose family..

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  OnTheWayOut

  The literature will say both things, that you should not have spiritual contact with a person and also that you should not even say hello to them.
  
  "… a simple "Hello" to someone can be the first step that develops into a conversation and maybe even a friendship. Would we want to take that first step with a disfellowshiped person?" Watchtower 1981 Sep 15 p.25

  They will show the one thing to government officials and curious people who think they are a cult, that they allow normal family relations and only refrain from spirtual discussions, therefore their work should not be banned and they should not be viewed as an extremist group. Then they will remind members of the other thing- any contact can lead to being misled by Satan's wiles.
  
  Current literature still says shunning is necessary:
  "Despite our pain of heart, we must avoid normal contact with a disfellowshipped family member by telephone, text messages, letters, e-mails, or social media." Watchtower 2017 Oct p.16
  
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  Theramin Trees: Becoming Fools | A Visit From Some JWs

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  excellent video from theramin tree's.

  it's funny that we can relate entirely to the jw's in this.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewehb4qm1hg.

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  OnTheWayOut

  That video was brilliant. While it should be a sweeping generality to apply it to all JW's, we know well enough that the statements about JW's apply virtually universally to them. This reminds me quite so of why I don't really bother with the average JW. With a loved one, we might have time to overcome obstacles, but with a JW acquaintance, they just stop thinking when their message is challenged.
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  Anyone know the significance of the three days and nights Jesus is dead?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in my studies i’ve come to realize that most dying and rising gods such as inanna, jesus and others all were dead three days and nights.

  the moon is dead as far as man not being able to see it in the sky three days and nights but many of these gods are not associated with the moon, osiris maybe being the only exception.

  have any of you in your research come up with a plausible idea on why there all dead just threes days and three nights?.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Some writers were on a roll with the "3."
  
  Jesus prayed 3 times in the Garden of Gethsemane. He was placed on the cross at the 3rd hour. There were 3 hours of darkness while Jesus remained on the cross. So Jesus was dead for 3 days and 3 nights before being resurrected.
  
  Using "3" quite a bit makes it take on some mysterious importance.
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  What Privileges do you get when you are baptized ?

  by LOLS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my husband was baptized at the recent 2018 convention in south africa ....... he was very annoyed that his non-believing wife did not attend the baptism....... but i think he received pressure from his jw father & elders as to why his wife was not attending ....... anyway ..... it's really water off my back .

  i wanted to know what privileges you get as a baptized jw man , as i saw a message from one of the elders at his cong , congratulating him on his baptism and to earning more privileges ..... what are these privileges the elder is speaking about ,,,,, .

  i don't feel like asking my husband as it just lands up in a stupid fight ..... or a long winded explanation ..... thanks .

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  OnTheWayOut

  It's all been mentioned already. Basically, a "brother" will be able to devote more of his own time and energy to doing the bidding of the Watcbhtower. He can volunteer for more petty assignments and start working toward kissing elders' asses so that they appoint him a ministerial servant later and give him even more petty assignments that require a man with that title to do, such as collecting money from the contribution box and being in charge of others when cleaning or organizing the recruiting work.
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  09/16/18 WT | My Wife's First JW (cult) Epiphany

  by Solzhenitsyn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  oh rapture!

  today's wt caused my wife's first [jw mind control] epiphany and she didn't hesitate to share upon her discovery.

  09/16/2018 | "where are your eyes looking?

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  OnTheWayOut

  I second TD's comment.
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  Lies from the watchtower

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am interested in getting a list of lies that the watchtower has said or wrote in the past that could actually be proven to be as such, or, for the very least, deliberately misleading.

  1. in a morning worship lecture in 2015, stephen lett said .

  "rejecting false stories designed to separate us from jehovah's organization.

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  OnTheWayOut

  If it hasn't been posted totally-
  
  https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/misquotes-deception-lies.php
  
  

  Lying

  • 1914 Quotes
  • 1925 - Millions Now Living Will Never Die
  • Naos
  • Worship Jesus
  • Russell's Biography
  • 20th Century
  • Death refusing Blood Transfusions
  • Plagiarism
  • Baptism
  • Blame Members
  • Downplay Defection
  • African Watchtower Story
  • War
  • Splinter Groups
  • Light Gets Brighter
  • Vaccinations
    
    

    Mis-quoting Sources

    • Critical Thinking
    • Last Days
    • Blood Transfusions
    • 607 B.C.E.
    • Education
    • Cross
    • Trinity Brochure
    • Creation Book
    • Misquoted Scriptures
    • The Wedding Ring
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  Hit Movies that could be made regarding Jws or other cults

  by caves in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  one i was thinking of is if a gay jw fell in love with a gay mormon and both got shunned at the same time each in there respective religions 'cough' cults.

  both with no more family and no friends.

  both with deep conscience issues ripping at the very fabric of their love.

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  OnTheWayOut

  A movie similar to THE MASTER, about Joseph Rutherford seizing control of the Bible Students and morphing it into the cult it becomes would be a good movie.
  
  Maybe a 1975 movie about some family denying their child a real education because the end is coming so soon, and then of course the end wouldn't come and the story could have the aftermath where the child is now an adult and leaves that cult because of the unfulfilled promise, but he must leave behind his family who accepted blame for believing Watchtower said what they said.
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  The Wizard of Oz

  by I Faded Twice in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone else see the similarities between the wizard of oz and the gb?.

  it's kind of like when the curtain is removed and you find out it's all smoke and mirrors.

  plus dorothy wakes up at the end!.

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  OnTheWayOut

  The Wizard of Oz
  
  Try these also:
  The Village (M. Night Shyamalan)
  The Matrix
  Tangled