OnTheWayOut

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  Do You Know Of Anyone Who Left JWs And Then Decided To Return?

  by minimus in

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  quite a few years ago there was a poster here that left the religion because he knew it was simply not true.

  however, he returned to jws because he wanted to be with his family.

  i don’t know how he is doing but gumby was his name.

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  OnTheWayOut

  My sister-in-law got pregnant and disfellowshipped. In the time she was "out," she didn't do any research on JW's. Eventually, her parents got divorced and each separately became baptized JW's. Both had only been lifelong meeting attenders prior to that and got 2 of the 3 kids (including my wife) baptized.
  
  My SIL had made one early attempt to go back, but didn't want to go through the shunning and answering questions from elders, so she was there and gone again.
  
  When her reason for being disfellowshipped was more than halfway through high school, my SIL decided that her son needed "the truth" and that she needed to go back. She went through all that stuff.
  
  This is a pretty common story- people go back because they did not actually make "the truth" their own. They did no research and many assumed the fault was theirs and they felt guilty about leaving Watchtower (or Jehovah).
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  My Dad's Funeral

  by Disassociated Lady 2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i had not seen my dad for 15 years because i had left the borg.

  (i had been out 26 years but there was a few years when the jws permitted contact with outsiders and then changed their minds again).

  they made contact with me again just before he was diagnosed with cancer.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Thanks for sharing. I hope it helps to vent. Some JW's can be just barely decent enough then pull the rug out from under your feet.
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  What is the biggest problem with the JWS religion or the Watchtower Corporation from a sociological and theological perspective ?

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many have spent years associated with jws religion and having eventually left it for numerous reasons but if you were to directly pinpoint a source of the problem with this religious organization what would it be ?.

  in my personal viewpoint it would have be the core operation of literature proliferation and other products associated with the wts.

  corporation.. once you think about it everything is focused around the operation of the wts publishing house, its distribution and circulation of its published goods.

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  OnTheWayOut

  If [I] were to directly pinpoint a source of the problem with this religious organization what would it be?
  
  It would be the BITE method they use to be a dangerous mind control cult.
  
  Behavior Control
  Information Control
  Thought Control
  Emotional Control
  
  They tell members what to think act and how to feel about it, and cause members' own mental growth to stagnate or stop. They withhold vital information that would allow members to see the real truth of things.
  
  
  
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  How Effective Are Anti-JW Internet Sites?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i think that once you get on the internet and you see evidence that shows jehovah’s witnesses do not have the real truth, it can jolt you.

  but i don’t think simply going on an internet site typically changes a person’s direction—even if the information is very damning toward the witnesses.

  i think it takes time to eventually get out.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I felt something was wrong about "the truth" and figured that I was spiritually strong enough to literally Google "Jehovah's Witnesses." I went to any and all sites in the links.

  Randy Watters had a great site that included a thing called TALK SOUP which linked discussions on jehovahs-witnessDOTcom. Between that and jwfacts, I was fascinated by the things I learned. I had known nothing about Ray Franz or the Governing Body making decisions by a majority vote. The scam over a parking fee at conventions hit me hard because, although it never became a big issue, the exact same thing happened in South Carolina, and I always wondered why collecting money was so hush-hush.

  You just never know what a JW needs to discover, but I agree that they are already generally ready to find fault with Watchtower.
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  When did Cook, the new GB member, start claiming to be anointed, and what are the implications?

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  kenneth cook was a "helper" in the writing department, which is apparently a role for those of the great crowd.

  watchtower 15/10/15 p.3 states that helpers are of the great crowd.

  "since 1992, the governing body has appointed experienced, mature christian elders to help its committees carry out their work.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I truly believe it is just as the opening post suggests: a GB member starts saying how "they" feel that their helper is anointed and has great responsibility ahead of himself, so he starts partaking.

  I believe that each GB member has, somewhere along the way, anguished over whether he is actually anointed or if it's all bullshit. I can tell you that I was a full-believing JW and I can only relate it to being appointed an elder.
  I never worried about attaining the title and actually liked it when I wasn't an elder. But I thought holy spirit was working through the elders and when they came to ask me to accept the assignment, I assumed it was Jehovah working through others. I went through that "Is it all bullshit" period, but not until much after my appointment. I gotta think it's much the same for "anointed."
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  If the Bible is truly the word of God then why are their so many different Translations ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  not only are their different translations from different denominations ,like the greek orthodox ,russian orthodox ,roman catholic .various protestant versions and others as well as the nwt of jw`s.. however various denominations print different versions of the bible which fair enough may only be minor differences yet at the same time they are differences to what they previously printed .?.

  and some have serious discrepancies .. as if they are trying to get to the true meaning of what god or jesus christ actually said or meant ?.

  are they for real ?

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  OnTheWayOut

  Watchtower has said both that God protected "His Word" and that a great apostasy crept in and removed His name.

  Because the words were written so long ago in times where the words literally could mean something else and the way the phrases were said could literally mean different things than would be expected, and because men edited the words later to fit their agendas (both in ancient times and in more modern times), we have the mess we have today.
  
  The Bible is used to hate, excuse, and justify.
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  The effect Crisis of Conscience has...

  by pleaseresearch in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  would love to read this book one day and give it to my mum and brother who are both in the organisation.. so many people i see on videos claim that this book was the nail in the coffin.

  but do you know anyone where it had no effect on them?.

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  OnTheWayOut

  There are probably plenty who read CofC but were not ready to consider it seriously. And you can bet many upper echelon members have read it.

  You have to be prepared to actually consider the material, then it devastates one's faith in Watchtower. Similar with pedophile news reports.
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  Those awkward magazines

  by Addison0998 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’m sure we all remember those really weird, awkward magazines we were expected to place in service.

  and it was before we are had the website or the thing on the back to fall back on.

  imagine being a 12 year old girl, and having to place magazines on god’s view of pornography, sex, homosexuality.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I never did magazine distribution as a kid. But as an adult, if I did not care for the subject matter, I highlighted the other magazine (Awake! vs. Watchtower) or some other article within. I typically focused on positive nature stuff from Awake!

  But the term, "Those awkward magazines" really makes me think of articles that Watchtower corporation printed and now the articles are glaring reminders of their lies, contradictions, changes.
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  What Is Your Opinion Of Melania Trump?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think she’s very intelligent and dignified.

  plus, in my humble opinion, i rate her as the most attractive first lady ever..

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  OnTheWayOut

  She speaks simple and straightforward. I don't think she is dumb, but as far as 'most attractive ever,' I have to go with Abigail Adams who never had cosmetic surgery of any kind.
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  Watchtower attempts 997 mind trick segue to 1914

  by Darth FayDehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  fancy a mind trick?

  here’s 2 for the price of 1; if you only want watchtower’s trick, skip to the next paragraph.

  you may need to write this down or use a calculator:.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I debated which name you would not guess, but ultimately wrote "Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz."

  I will not bother with the Watchtower Biblical gymnastics, but your point is well received. They baffle with bullshit, and the average baffled member assumes they are brilliant.