OnTheWayOut

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  how do spouse's treat their partners if they leave the cult?

  by mickbobcat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i was fortunate enough to have a wife that listened and saw what i was saying was true and that the cult is bs.

  but i wonder how bad it is in a relationship that one goes out of the cult and the other stays in.

  i can see that being a real issue for a marriage.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I am out about 13 years now and my wife is still in.
  
  It is the elephant in the room. We lead our lives pretty much independent from each other in many ways.
  
  In many ways, it is as TheListener says- "Roommate but with a wedding ring," but it's "roommate with benefits."
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  Tsunamis and Volcanos: why?

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  volcano eruptions and tsunamis kill at large scale and very often, without warning.

  how do believers explain these away?

  jehovah's witnesses say that humans die and suffer due to the original sin, but what do volcano's and tsunamis have to do with it?

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  Any JW worthy of the name of their God should be able to answer this question. But they have gotten out of their ridiculous circular thinking ability- which initially sounds good, but most JW's refrain from any real thinking on such complex questions.
  
  Volcano eruptions and Tsunamis kill at large scale and very often, without warning. How do believers explain these away?
  
  Man was perfect. Man would have initially spread out from the Garden of Eden, nowhere near volcanoes and tsunamis. As these perfect men spread to those areas, they would have been able to predict such events and avoid the disaster, or could have built totally volcano-proof and tsunami-proof structures for safety, or maybe even God could simply TELL them it was coming and they would move to safety.
  
  Honestly, a real JW in my day could have answered like that.
  
  
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  Voter Fraud !

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. social
  2. current

  dick morris sounds the alert:.

  https://www.dickmorris.com/fight-massive-democratice-fraud/ .

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  OnTheWayOut

  Fascinating, Funky. Fascinating.
  
  
  
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  Sin came into the world - not true?

  by menrov in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  matt 5:27 “you have heard that it was said, ‘do not commit adultery.’ 28 but i say to you that whoever looks at a woman to desire her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.. this means that even before someone commits an act that is considered a sin or wrong but does think about it, that person actually already committed that sin or trespassing.. now read this:.

  rom.

  5:12 so then, just as sin entered the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all people because all sinned— 13 for before the law was given, sin was in the world, but there is no accounting for sin when there is no law.. this means that there was already sin in the world before adam and eve actually ate the fruit.

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  Committing adultery "in your heart" or desire or theft or whatever "in your heart" is not a sin.

  Sin was invented by priests/preachers to make the members feel guilty, thus needing the priest/preacher to be appeased to appease the god.

  They have defined it as an immoral "act" considered to be a transgression against divine law. An act. Not a thought.
  
  Sure, they may sometimes redefine it as even thought based on what Jesus said. That damned Bible getting in the way. But whoever wrote those Jesus words was trying to say that everyone does that and the key is not to let it become sin.
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  If YOU Were In Charge of the COVID Virus Situation How Would You Handle Things At This Point?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as of october 2020, if you were governor or president how would you handle this pandemic?

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  OnTheWayOut

  Well, what I would not do is put the stock market first, argue over masks, put Jarod in charge of PPE, give trillions of dollars away mostly to businesses to never "trickle" down to the workers.
  
  At this point, we could get a round of complete quick results tests for every-fricking-body. We can isolate the positives and let the rest get to some kind of normal and then do the hot-spot thing for awhile or test every-fricking-body again if it wasn't contained.
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  New Zealand Begins Selling Kingdom Halls

  by KiwiBoy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the wainui-o-mata hall is closing and from 01 february they will be relocated to the 200 seater hall in newlands.

  johnsonville is merging with the wellington west congregation and will be known at wellington central also to be located in the newlands hall.

  wellington east will remain in the hall in kilbirnie at this stage but rumour has it that this hall will also be sold and they will make up the third congregation sharing the newlands hall.

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  OnTheWayOut

  The end is so close, you can smell it.
  Not the end of "this system of things" but the end of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  It will drag on, but not as long as they have dragged along since 1914. They will fall apart one day in the future.
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  I almost died ...allow me to explain

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in 1923 i almost died.. allow me to explain .... .

  i wouldn't exist for another 24 years ...but.

  for a few seconds, on top a building, my grandfather, jack hybarger, stood with tears running down his cheeks and a small caliber pistol in his right hand.

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  Not everyone knows their "almost died" story, but every single human being has one. Had something interrupted an ancestor (or not interrupted them), completely different people would be alive today. So that seems to me to be the same as the JW looking across a river to see one of the elders, and the JW says "How can I get to the other side?" and the elder yells back, "You ARE on the other side."
  
  There are not completely different people or maybe there are.
  
  Here's my story. My father's father was still a lad when his family planned to move away from Chicago to California. One day, they sold their house and had a cashier's check in hand and were prepared to leave in a day or so.
  The very day that check was issued, the banks failed. So my grandfather's family had neither the house (already closed) nor any money (just a worthless check). Had they not closed, they would have had the house still or had they closed sooner, they would have cashed the check.
  With no money and no home, they moved in with family in Chicago and never went to California. Had one event changed that chain of bad circumstances, my father would have never been born and some completely different family would have been brought into existence in California.
  That's what life is like.
  
  
  
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  Video: Surprise Reunion After 10 years of Shunning

  by NuzzleNudge in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  https://youtu.be/ribgldualbm.

  my husband hadn’t seen his sister for 10 years.

  we were jehovah's witnesses and thanks to their disgusting, arbitrary brainwashing, 10 years of loving our family was wasted shunning them.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Nice. Really awesomely nice.
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  Poll/ So Who Do You Think Will Win The Presidency?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have always felt trump will win again.

  i just don’t see biden winning.. what’s your prediction?.

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  Min- He’s directed (illegally) millions of dollars from
  US taxpayers “.... prove it

  Here's the thing. I shouldn't have to prove it. Even if it was technically legal, you very well know it is happening and then you just excuse it.

  And despite my not being a fan of Biden, instead of looking at yourself excusing it, you will just say "What about Joe?"
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  Poll/ So Who Do You Think Will Win The Presidency?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have always felt trump will win again.

  i just don’t see biden winning.. what’s your prediction?.

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  Min- "...he certainly has put America first."

  I wanna walk away, but I just can't.

  As of Jan 1st, 2020 Trump has spent one out of every three days as president visiting one of his luxury resorts, hotels or golf courses. So of course the lock down drove him nuts.

  He has directed millions of dollars from U.S. taxpayers to his businesses around the globe and created a mountain of potential conflicts of interest. Even though what Biden is accused of with Hunter is terrible, it pales in comparison.

  Trump has promoted his properties in front of the United Nations. And he has encouraged foreign governmental entities to rent condos in Trump properties....and they do so as they seek to curry favor. Trump has literally called the emoluments clause "phony." In September, USA TODAY, said that Trump has surpassed 2300 conflicts of interest, according to Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. Remember when he wanted the G-7 Summit at his Miami resort? And when you get a chance, check on Jared and real estate dealings, or why he wants the FBI building to stay where it is despite the higher cost than moving it.

  Just as he said Mexico would pay for the wall, Donald Trump promised to divest from his businesses, then said he didn't say that.