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  Non Believers, how do you respond ?

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i recently had this in a message from a jw, a lovely person, but mind controlled, he wrote " a life without hope is no life for me".. how should i respond to that ?

  i am an atheist, but want to respond in as kindly a way as possible.. i was thinking along the lies of saying i got no comfort from what i knew to be false hope, but need to say it in a kindly way.. ideas please ?.

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  OnTheWayOut

  There are elderly and already dead witnesses who lived their whole lives for a future promised hope.
  If that hope turns out to be false, they wasted their entire lives in the here-and-now for nothing.
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  Significant Changes Happening - Even Though Many May Not Realize

  by JWTom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i posted this item a few weeks ago (link below) with a compilation of items that could happen as the organization unravels - even though many (including myself) may find it unlikely, improbable or simply too much of a change to believe.. https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5165806634663936/drastic-upcoming-changes-accelerated-pandemic.

  as an active pimo though, i came up with the list in the above post simply from the standpoint that very significant changes have been occurring on an ongoing basis and sometimes i think even very active witnesses do not realize it.

  a few major items that have been ongoing or were singular events listed below.

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  The internet and lawsuits are the slow death of Watchtower. They will use COVID19 as an excuse to expedite some changes. They will continue their slow death regardless of what they do.
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  Why haven't they re-started the 'cart witnessing'?

  by eyeslice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we are nearly 18 months into this pandemic and lot has been learned and our behaviour modified to make things safer for us, e.g.

  the wearing of face masks and social distancing.. many countries such as australia, new zealand, the uk and usa either have things under control or have vaccinated a large portion of the population.

  therefore, given the very passive nature of the 'cart witnessing', i can't see why this hasn't be re-started.

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  Its further proof we are sooo near the end..only a matter of days now.

  
  Yes. Anything to promote a near-Armageddon sense among the flock.
  Plus, cart witnessing is mainly busy work to keep the members busy. In reality, a feeling of panic about COVID19 and a sense that Watchtower is taking things more seriously than the rest of the world, is better for the Cult to control the members than busy work. Plus, they don't really want to keep producing paper literature at a loss.
  
  They are probably calculating how they can sell off Kingdom Halls before they send the members back.
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  Do you still debate with JWs?

  by punkofnice in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was talking to an ex-jw.

  not been out as long as i have.. cut a long story short, i came to realise that i can no longer be bothered to debate jws if (on the rare occasion), i have encountered them.. i think that because i am somewhere circling a nihilistic atheist it seems pointless.

  i just don't have the energy because i rarely even think about jw related garbage.

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  I tried to reason with some key close people. They didn't really give me a chance before they stuck their fingers in their ears and went "LA LA LA LA, I CAN'T HEAR THIS!"
  
  I am not interested in getting all riled up for that with JW's that are not important to me, and I don't want them to push for my DF'ing.
  
  I was prime to "debate" 10 years ago, now I am not sharp enough to really do a full debate. But it doesn't matter. The more JW doctrine changes, the more I realized it doesn't even matter.
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  It seems according to this doctor that there was always a cure for Covid 19

  by pistolpete in

  1. social
  2. current

  the media like cnn msnbc, nytimes, etc.

  have incentives to scare the public and encourage lock down--blame trump.. democrats also have incentives, to lock down the country—blame trump.

  there were incentives for hospitals to report every death as a covid death------30,000 us dollars funded from the government for every covid death reported by any hospital.

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  How do American media, Donald Trump and American hospitals cause a worldwide pandemic?
  
  What did they do to make things worse in Italy?
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  All I need is my motorcycle. Do you ride?

  by wannabefree in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i began riding motorcycles in my early teens.

  my 1979 honda xl500s became my best friend.

  i had a few teenage neighbors and school friends that rode too.

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  I don't want a pickle....
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  What is your status (as of today) as a Jehovah's Witness?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  active believer...still attend meetings, go out in field service, believe it's ''the truth''.

  active non-believer... go to meetings and field service to please family... living a double life .

  inactive believer...don't attend meetings but believe it's the truth, one day might go back to kingdom hall.

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  6. Very content P.I.M.O.
  
  JW GoneBad, you might well be a Very content P.I.M.O.. I would question that conclusion, but I don't know you. Let's just say there cannot possibly be a whole category of such people.
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  I am still not able to solve this God's name paradox...

  by psyco in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am finishing to read the entire bible (nwt 2013) for my first time (my fault) and i wrote down hundreds, maybe thousands, of questions not clear to me, but one especially came in my mind meditating on god's name.. if i wanted to summarize the entire bible in one phrase i would say (even before the kingdom): god’s name sanctification.. god is jealous about his name.

  he does everything for the love of his name, and he wants to be called and prayed using his name.

  no doubt about all this (repeated several times in the bible), but it involves the pronunciation of his name.. god left us his name in the form of יהוה which is unpronounceable.

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  I call bullshit on your conclusion that "If [you] wanted to summarize the entire Bible in one phrase [you] would say (even before the Kingdom): God’s name sanctification."
  
  That definitely sounds like something you got from Jehovah's Witnesses and from my reading of the Bible and from reading the thoughts of people who study this stuff much more than even Jehovah's Witnesses do, the name remains unclear throughout. "Jehovah" or whatever is a warrior God of the early Bible and most people worshipped EL or Elohim, Eloah, Elohai, El Shadda. The Old Testament doesn't clearly point to the New Testament or to the Son of God.
  
  What I get from the Bible is that God is vengeful and has a bunch of rules and you should obey him or he will mess you up.
  
  
  
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  Is There Life On Mars?

  by LoveUniHateExams in

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  2. current

  no, i'm not talking about the david bowie song, i'm asking does life exist on mars?.

  opportunity rover (the one before the present one) took photos of strange, puffball-like sphericals seemingly sprouting on the martian surface.. these photos aren't conclusive evidence but it is an exciting area to investigate.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9546225/scientists-claim-evidence-fungi-red-planet.html .

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  I do know this-

  Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids

  In fact it's cold as hell

  And there's no one there to raise them

  If you did

  But seriously, I strongly believe in the Primordial soup, or prebiotic soup theory. Not necessarily the proposed theory of 1929 published by J.B.S Haldane where he argued that UV radiation provided the energy to convert methane, ammonia and water into the first organic compounds in the oceans of the early earth. Perhaps a better understanding of science such as the proposed idea that gases came from deep-sea hydrothermal vents, or perhaps something else that we haven't figured out yet.

  It is unclear whether the conditions to create life could be common to the universe or unique to Earth. People want to believe that since mankind's science cannot yet reproduce the spark of life that it is a false theory or extremely rare. But I say we are in the infancy of our understanding, and we know that "the God of the gaps" keeps shrinking. So maybe we will figure it out one day. And for all we know, life has started more than once on Earth but the dominant life already present has "eaten" it up.
  
  I further believe that with so many stars and so much potential out there, life has started somewhere else, probably more than a few times. But is it primitive, plant, microscopic, developed??? I dunno.
  
  If life did exist at all on Mars, we have seen that life on Earth has clung to the most impossible environments, so I would bet that it's still there somewhere under some rock.
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  What is your status (as of today) as a Jehovah's Witness?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  active believer...still attend meetings, go out in field service, believe it's ''the truth''.

  active non-believer... go to meetings and field service to please family... living a double life .

  inactive believer...don't attend meetings but believe it's the truth, one day might go back to kingdom hall.

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  OnTheWayOut

  While I am clearly #4, why did you put "Bible is fiction" in that one? Sure, I accept that the Bible is fiction, but many do not.
  
  There are plenty of #5's then. They are Inactive non-believers of the Watchtower, denying it has the truth and will never go back, but they are "believers" in some kind of God or higher level of spirituality or karma or something else. I have met those that believe in an afterlife and those that swear by another interpretation of the Bible other than that of Watchtower.