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  Dubs out with kn37

  by fullofdoubtnow in

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  i just took the dog a walk, and saw 4 dubs at the top of our street, trying to place kn37.

  this is, of course, the first official day of thecampaign, so i expext to see a few more of them than usual over the next few days, but it's not often i see them at this time of day (3:10pm when i spotted them).

  they all know me, and when they saw me walking towards them with the dog, who does admittedly look a bit fearsome, being a pit bull/staffordshire bull terrier cross, they looked a little nervous, as if they thought i was going to set him on to them.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Yup, seen them this morning around here.

  I read the tract. I don't really see it as special, nor getting big results. I still say it's to
  keep JW's busy and think they are doing something, but keep costs down.
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  How long did your exit process take?

  by StillGroggy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this has probably been posted before, but i'm new here.

  for those who daed or dfed, how long did your exit take and why?.

  i'm trying to figure out how long it'll take me to get out.. thanks.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I am also done trying to get elders/ CO to discuss doctrinal problems.
  They had their chances and they only put up a defense wall.
  "We know it's the truth, those things will work out."
  "You have to have faith." (A few others)

  It's like trying to teach the other driver something by yelling out the
  window at him, they just think YOU are the bad driver, don't bother.

  If I did have discussions with elders, eventually, the CO would encourage
  them to use whatever I say to DF me. From now on, (I learned this mainly
  from garybuss) when they ask if I still have doubts, I will say "No, I agree with
  the WT." Nothing more.
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  How long did your exit process take?

  by StillGroggy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this has probably been posted before, but i'm new here.

  for those who daed or dfed, how long did your exit take and why?.

  i'm trying to figure out how long it'll take me to get out.. thanks.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Two months ago I started my active fade. I was already determined that I
  needed to escape the WT, but did not want to lose family contacts. In
  August, I turned in a letter of resignation as an elder, citing doubts in the GB.
  I have had the talk with the elders, and a brief encounter with the CO which
  went terrible (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/121888/1.ashx). This month,
  I think I will turn in NO field service hours- start being inactive. I don't know how
  long I will continue to go to meetings- perhaps cutting way back, I will continue
  for years for the wife's sake.

  If you are worried about the wife and her family, I think the key is not to give
  anybody anything in writing. Don't continually bombard the wife with negatives
  about the WTS, just keep giving some as she can take it. As much as you
  would like to, avoid doctrinal discussions with other JW's. If you do these
  things, they never have a reason to DF you, certainly never have 2 witnesses
  to apostasy. Now, you can fade or you can DA or DF when you are ready.

  But, much advice will be given here. How long to exit- you can exit right now
  if you want to.
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  What do you call a...? (corn warning!)

  by AuldSoul in

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  on ian's thread, chiddy inspired me to start this up.. what do you call a man with no arms and no legs at the city dump?

  phil.. what do you call a woman with no arms and one leg standing on a street corner?

  eileen.. what do you call a chinese woman with no arms and one leg standing on a street corner?

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  OnTheWayOut

  What do you call a dog with no legs?

  You don't call it anything, because it won't come if you call it.
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  Special Assembly 2-Day 2,000 delegates and TWO baptisms!

  by MinisterAmos in

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  2. friends

  just got back from the special one day assembly and had to share this important info.

  only two baptisms today; two girls about 15-16 out of 2,000 attendees.. i stumbled more than two with my anti-witnessing.

  i posted un expose material in the bathrooms along with pre and post nov 1995 1914 generation belief.. incidentally, attendance was down almost 25% over last year as well.

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  OnTheWayOut

  When I was baptized in 1972, a "sister" with a clipboard came into the ladies room where we were changing into our bathing suits, and asked each of us if what congregation we were from and if we had ever been baptized as a JW before. I thought that was really strange and asked my study conductor about it when I saw her.

  The same thing with me 15 years after that, but it was a brother outside the men's locker room on the way to the pool. I thought it was very strange, also. I never heard more than a brief explanation as the posters here have already mentioned.
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  5 questions

  by Iforget in

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  i read here so much that sometimes it makes my head hurt with how much bs i have been fed all of my life.

  now that i am studying another religion i am so pissed off i can't see straight.

  i don't care to get into a heated debate with my family over what i am choosing to do so i come here asking for 5 questions (there can be plenty more) that i can just say to my family that would give them pause as to why i am not going to their church anymore.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Add to #1 to make it a question that is reaching into their crimestop thinking (ability to ignore logical thinking)

  1: I am really bothered by the generation change in 1995.

  If the WTS was wrong about one part of Jesus message, could they be wrong about other parts (1914, "presence" instead of "coming," any double meaning at all to the statement about the end of the Jewish system of things)
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  As time goes by, will there be "less" disfellowshipping?

  by JH in

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  2. friends

  if i compare the congregation i attended 20 years ago, and the same one today, it would seem that it's just the core that's left.

  many left or got df'd years ago.. and those that are left, are either ms, elders, or former ones.

  and then there's the kids who grew up.. i wonder if the congregation is getting more and more refined as people are df'd?.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I do know that they are appointing men as elders and MS that they would never have considered before.

  Blondie

  Yes Blondie, and they are telling them that they must stay as elders. They now forgive them for viewing pornography, as long as it was a long time since doing it, and they kept it a secret. That was on my resignation letter. The same thing that would cause loss of privileges from a JC for other publisher, elders get to sweep it under the rug. I said this encourages them to keep silent about such "sin" (not truly a sin, but they say so) until a few years pass, instead of seeking help and stepping aside.
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  Hurts so good?

  by return visitor in

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  i know many have been hurt by association with the wts, but i was just wondering, are there any truths that you accually can take away from your association with it.

  for instance, before becoming a jw i would recite the lord's prayer, and had never read in matt.

  that is was not to be recited, but that it was mearly there as an example of how to pray.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I'm with Blondie on this one;

  The best lesson you can learn is not to get involved with an organization or group that abuses its members like the WTS does.

  I have only learned that PT Barnum was right, that well-meaning people can be tools of an organization to oppress others.
  I love my wife dearly, I met her in the organization, but now I have to fear her turning me in to the elders and watch my step.

  Anything good from WT is outweighed by the mental abuse, the destruction of normal life (during faithful service and after).
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  Pioneer Letter

  by purplesofa in

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  2. friends

  i was talking to my mom and she has begun fulltime pioneering.. she is grieving over the loss of her son and its all just too much.. i told her to quit pioneering and take care of her.

  she said , but i gave my word.. i said it makes me sick that you feel the pressure to do this and not give yourself time.

  she is already feeling rundown and beginning to hate going out and it's just the second month!.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Please keep insisting that she not sell her house. Tell her to calculate the cost of using up her life's savings (that's what a home is to most) and then be broke. Tell her that Jehovah would rather have her content with sustenence and covering- covering is her roof of her house, and doing what she can in service, than going all out for a few years then being a burden to others.

  I say this because it sounds imminent to get her attention before she wrecks her life to be a pioneer. She really has too much on her shoulders to pioneer. If she won't seek professional help for depression (a regular doctor could even help) then you have to keep telling her how selling everything to serve Jah is not a good idea.
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  Are Faders "better" than DF'd or DA'd?

  by ESTEE in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is something i've been mulling over.

  just would like to hear opinions as to whether faders, or inactive ones think they are superior to disfellowshipped or disassociated ones?

  what is your experience with this?

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  OnTheWayOut

  I am starting my fading. I wish I could just DA, but I want to keep a good relationship
  with family. If they left, I would DA or let them DF. My freedom will be limited for
  many years. I won't be able to go to Apostate gatherings/ meetups unless it's in
  secrecy.

  I was an elder until very recently. I used to think I was doing better than others at
  understanding "the Truth." Now, I know that I was a further tool of hypocrisy. Now
  I pity higher-ups for ignorance at the top, or allowing themselves to go along.
  I would say the rank and file were better off.

  In short, no, faders or elders are not better than DF'd, DA'd, or publishers.
  Non-fading elders most often believe they are serving Jah better than publishers.
  Most active publishers do feel better than inactive or those that left.