Posts by OnTheWayOut

i like the idea myself... in another thread i said "i noticed that i found myself more sorrowful for military funerals then i used to be, and i am finally starting to see christmas as an act of love, and not so much a disobedience to god's ways.

i often thought of how jesus took the pharisee's traditions and explained how they were evil, because of how they were being used.

OnTheWayOut

To elect a woman based on her being a woman, would be about as shallow and self-defeating as electing a man simply because he seems (to you) more like the kind of person you could have a beer with.

While I truly agree with you, it is important that a qualified person be in such a position of responsibility,
every person in office has had their flaws. Perhaps a change would be in order. A woman might have
compassion, find the right woman, though, okay.
Perhaps the man you could have a beer with would be a good president. He's down to earth, he'll get
a staff that can keep him up to date on issues and decide with his heart and his head, not just polls.

Or it might be a disaster with that guy or that woman. Is that different from what we have now?

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Vegetables on Front Porch Cause Uproar of Scandal and Intrigue for Local KH

by Check_Your_Premises in

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apupi - illinois.

local jw, susan estrogen, recalls her horror when she first saw the large, orange vegetables on the porch.

"there i was between breaks while out on field service when i saw it!

OnTheWayOut

Butters, do what you must but don't get caught. Don't waste too much money on this either. Keep your $5 and your Hallmark card. The point was not to let them think a prankster put it there, the point was that they don't know who put it there, maybe it's decorations that the BOE approved of for Autumn. Maybe those pumpkins are just waiting to become pies. They are just pumkins, not demon symbols.

OH, what are they doing there, what should we do? Let's ask the elders before we do anything.
Just in case, I won't enter this KH until someone clarifies. (might be demonized)

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..Jehovah`s Witness`s.. Lack of real Appreciation for Life

by OUTLAW in

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jehovah`s witness`s have a lack of real appreciation for life..no birthdays..no christmas..no need for education..no need for charity..little interaction with the outside world..shun family and friends..allow friends and family to suffer because of ever changing rules and policies of the wbt$..very little love for anything outside the wbt$..jehovah`s witness`s believe they will live forever..does believing they will live forever make them less appreciative of the life they are wasting?...outlaw

OnTheWayOut

The life they are wasting- The most hard-core believe that giving it to Jehovah in pioneer service is not a waste.

But your point is made that they think "there will be time to enjoy in everlasting life, so a life of constant sacrifice
and near poverty is worth it."

I feel for the ones who are miserable but try to convince themselves that they are happy, serving God.
You have those pioneer sisters who can't find a good brother to marry, but so want to have one.
They love children, would love to have 2 or 3, but tell themselves they can have hundreds in paradise.
They spend 30 to 35 hours a week at work, not enough for good benefits, but enough to share a small apartment with
another sister. They preach 70 hours a month, using up one small 4-door car after another in the territory.
They perpetuate their lonliness because the sacrifices they make prevent them from joining the local elders families
everytime they take the visiting speaker or CO out to a restaurant for dinner. Therefore, they just sit at home with
their can of tuna and rice, reading the latest WT and yearbook.

How sad. They tell themselves that they are happy.

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Vegetables on Front Porch Cause Uproar of Scandal and Intrigue for Local KH

by Check_Your_Premises in

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friends

apupi - illinois.

local jw, susan estrogen, recalls her horror when she first saw the large, orange vegetables on the porch.

"there i was between breaks while out on field service when i saw it!

OnTheWayOut

Great story. I am not suggesting this, I hope no apostates take this seriously (hint), but imagine the reactions if someone put the pumpkins outside the door of the KH. They would not want to carve into them, as everyone would instantly remove them. Just set a pumpkin there, and many will be unsure as to what it means/ what to do.

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Should Charles Russell be credited as the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by slipnslidemaster in

this has been on my chest for a while and i would like to talk about it for a bit.

i've been reading this essay: "the successor problem" and it's sparked this thought that has been reoccurring to me for years.. .

i personally think that he should not.

OnTheWayOut

I fully agree. Russell was a religious fanatic consistent with many others of his day. But as "out there" as his beliefs were,
he established a group of Bible Students because they wanted to continue to understand things better, and he allowed
for rejection of some or many of the beliefs that were established. He did start a corporation that continues down to this day.
If you wanted to say that he founded the publishing company, true enough.

Rutherford took things into their true modern direction that- The corporation must control the individual congregations thoughts,
actions, meeting discussions, preaching, lives, etc.
Rutherford gave JW's their name. He used the publishing company to establish the modern religion.
He really was evil. Russell was just wrong.

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All of us, we are wrong...

by daystar in

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so, 75% of the world's population is religious, believes in a higher power.

how can they all be wrong?

in the early 1600s, a great deal of controversy surrounded one particular astronomer.

OnTheWayOut

Butters,

you take a serious philosophic discussion and try to reduce it to trivial nonsense. RELATIVITY.

None of us is able to look at all or even some of the celestial bodies in space thru a microscope. So, we look at things from our
relative position. You say that if we were to look at space in that microscope, we would see nothing. You take a true enough
statement and jump to the broad misapplication that "nothing within [space] is actually going from one place to another."

Relatively, now, compare the original supposition that the Earth is the center of the universe with understood science now.

I was going to make the joke that, perhaps you need to justify why your life or career is going noplace, but it was just a joke.

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Whatever Happened To THIS Belief?

by Sunspot in

as jws, we used to be told that "when they are crying peace and security, the end will come".

nothing indicates that this will be happening any time in the near future, but the "new" tract would seem to make people think the "end" will be soon.. has the wts changed this "peace and security" teaching over the past few years?

if they have changed their thinking, how have they worked their way around that one?.

OnTheWayOut

Sunspot is correct, it was really stressed in the past that the cry of Peace and Security would be well pronounced.

I studied in the late 80's and it was still stressed. That said, good post Zico.

You show us that the GB is ready to go any direction they want to with the cry. They will use printed words to
say it DID happen if that fits their needs. They will use them to say it DID NOT happen yet if that fits their needs.

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Does It Bother You That Some Posters Give Misinformation???

by minimus in

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i don't like the fact that at times, false information is disseminated here.

where's the "big announcement in october"???

or we hear that the blood issue will be changed or that something big is going to be happening at the next assembly.

OnTheWayOut

Finally Free,

you are promoting TRUE information, aren't you?

If so, I share your joy.