Posts by OnTheWayOut

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Elders want to meet with us, help!

by All for show in

jw
friends

my husband is awake,yay!

we haven't been to meeting since february, although we attended the memorial.

when jws have called us we say we are amazing, everything is awesome much to their shock.

OnTheWayOut

You might think you and yours said nothing wrong and I might agree. You might not have violated any "Bible principles." But........

Of course the kids mentioned the broadcast and we said we heard it. My husband said, " you are responsible for you, they won't pay your bills. How can you discredit college and it's beneifts when you haven't gone nor work for a living?"
I think we did actually say, the horror stories of college are what you will find in any group of kids 18-22 ... ha ha... And that the GB have no real life concerns that we all face. So mainly, it's because we are negative to the GB. My husband definitely won't apologize when it's nothing to do with scripture or the bible.

......looking at what you did say, there is too much ammunition for them here. Disagreement with the Governing Body, insinuating that they are totally out of touch with what "we" have to go through. And meeting with them, your husband won't likely just take their further accusations and apologize but try to argue his way out of this. Even if he doesn't say anything wrong, two elders will agree with each other that he did.

I tell you, stay absolutely brief and walk away/hang up. "We are fine." No matter what they say, "No, it was a misunderstanding."

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Things that I trust more than Hillary Clinton

by Nathan Natas in

things that i trust more than hillary clinton:.

mexican tap water.

any email from nigeria.

OnTheWayOut

Trust her or not, she's going to beat the next Republican candidate.

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Questions for those that believe in Electricity

by OnTheWayOut in

jw
friends

you can't see electricity or hear it or feel it.

well, there are sparks and lightning bolts and heating elements and the light and heat of filaments.

and somehow, it lights up neon in a tube.

OnTheWayOut

The hum of transmission lines and transformers, the shock. You guys are just talking to me like I am ignorant of the obvious. You can't prove that it isn't the angels humming or that it's holy spirit that shocks you.

Cattle prods and electric fences- ha. You will probably tell me there's a device that can deliver electricity to a human body like through pads on the chest to get the heart jump started or some kind of gun that could shock a criminal suspect so you don't have to shoot him.

You know, such things are not mentioned in my holy book. Lots and lots of sheep herders had a hand in that book and if electricity were real, it would have said so right after it banned slavery.

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Questions for those that believe in Electricity

by OnTheWayOut in

jw
friends

you can't see electricity or hear it or feel it.

well, there are sparks and lightning bolts and heating elements and the light and heat of filaments.

and somehow, it lights up neon in a tube.

OnTheWayOut

You can't see electricity or hear it or feel it. Well, there are sparks and lightning bolts and heating elements and the light and heat of filaments. And somehow, it lights up neon in a tube. But it's all just a theory. You can't say where electricity comes from. It's all just a theory. Does electricity flow like water or is it a back-and-forth within a conductor? And how does anything travel inside solid wires.

I mean, when electricity is used, where does the used electricity go? We know energy cannot be created or destroyed, so not really knowing where it comes from and where it goes should be major red flags.

Tiny particles traveling at about the speed of light through wires. Yeah, right. The Bible never mentions electricity. I could go on and on with my problems with electricity. People think it's much better established than the theory of evolution, but it's not better established. Both are just observations and measurements that can be verified, but without any proof of what they are verifying actually existing.

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What if we could bring down the WBTS?

by derangedjdub in

what would be your plan or ideal reason the walls came crashing down?

OnTheWayOut

I will speak in generalizations, so please understand that I get that many delicate situations will exist.

Any Branch Davidians left out there are nearly insignificant in comparison to the group they were. Any hardcore JW's that would find another JW group or even start such a group would be minor in comparison to the millions in the Watchtower now, were the organization to go away. Yes, we would have to have suicide watches and offer much help to "spiritually lost" members.

But it would all be worth it. The damage ending for children is worth quite a bit of trouble for adults that suddenly find themselves without "the truth."

I would hope that the problem is a huge scandal over money and upper echelon JW's scramble to steal the money and run away to third world countries.

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Elders want to meet with us, help!

by All for show in

jw
friends

my husband is awake,yay!

we haven't been to meeting since february, although we attended the memorial.

when jws have called us we say we are amazing, everything is awesome much to their shock.

OnTheWayOut

My husband is awake,yay! We haven't been to meeting since February

So first of all- YAY! and YAY!

I read here and know,don't meet up! But my husband, ..............
....he is like... What's the big deal. It's all BS...I will tell them exactly what we said.... Hello! It's a bad idea right.

It is a bad idea to meet up. The less crossing of paths, the better. But faders have to compromise until they finish fading out of there. (And great job on that, by the way.) But you need to be very very short and say very very little. I tend to agree with Clambake: "I would blow the whole meeting out of proportion use it as an excuse to just not attend anymore."

Here's what I would do, as the husband. (No point in the wife saying anything, as they are man-oriented.) On the phone, or in passing in an open Kingdom Hall (not at a meeting with elders), I would say, "We are fine, we don't need to meet with anyone."

Let them bring it up, as you try to say goodbye or walk away. "Oh, the college stuff? We honestly answered a few questions about our college experience from some people who asked and we did not promote any path for others."

Then if they want to say more, "You know, I told you what happened. That was it." I would not agree to meet and I would not say more. I wouldn't say out loud that they are stumbling me. If I lost my cool, I might just say, "This gossip and exaggeration is really upsetting me." Then I would walk away and not answer their calls or show up at the hall for quite awhile. I would probably turn in one hour of "service" for a few months in a row then drop it to nothing.

But that's me. They have only the power we give them.

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Questions that keep me awake at night . . .

by Slave4_38y in

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OnTheWayOut

If you steal a clean slate, does it go on your record?

If you were going to shoot a mime, would you need to use a silencer?

What if there were no hypothetical situations?

How is it that "Fat Chance" and "Slim Chance" mean the same thing?

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Elders' Authority - Flock Book

by berrygerry in

the biggest surprise in the flock book was the hiding-for 3-years serious sin absolution provision for elders (if with "jehovah's evident blessing").. the second is the remark regarding an inactive person, and the situation:.

"is the person willing to meet with a committee, thus admitting accountability to the christian congregation?".

now, the bible says: i want you to know that the head of every man is the christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the christ is god.

OnTheWayOut

All elders know that in Watchtower language, "a few years" means 3 minimum but allows for the elders to determine that more time is needed if the members still whisper about the man's deeds that got him removed.

"Is the person willing to meet with a committee, thus admitting accountability to the Christian congregation?"

There's one the Watchtower hoped the members would never read. So if an inactive member is not willing to meet, they are not accountable and the elders can drop the matter, but if he is willing to meet, then he could be pursued judicially. The answer is simple. DO NOT AGREE TO MEET!!!

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Question for people who believe in Evolution

by ttte36 in

though school i did religious education and my teacher who was religious ruled out evolution because humans are the only creatures who do not want to die, can anyone who understands evolution explain this?.

im 99% on to the theory of evolution, this is just the last stumbling block..

OnTheWayOut

If time itself only started at the point of the Big Bang, then the idea that a singularity existed forever or any concept of "before" the energy exploded have to be ideas to be dismissed and reworked. It's a very difficult concept, but one we have to deal with. The singularity wasn't there for a moment or any length of time because time did not exist.

What happened before, God knows.

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Question for people who believe in Evolution

by ttte36 in

though school i did religious education and my teacher who was religious ruled out evolution because humans are the only creatures who do not want to die, can anyone who understands evolution explain this?.

im 99% on to the theory of evolution, this is just the last stumbling block..

OnTheWayOut

You would have to clarify. Have you seen a rat break off it's tail to escape a trap? Have you seen a cornered animal fight for it's life? On the other side, have you seen a suffering human want to end their suffering?

Most animals, human or not, do not want to die. Please clarify.