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Atheist Miracles

by Perry in

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i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

they keep me from getting bored.

That's right. Pick a single sub-point within an answer and ignore the gist of it. Okay, millions of universes are unique then.
And I won't pretend to understand the cosmological constant beyond the elementary- the value of the energy density of the vacuum of space. But I like how Perry pretends because he copied and pasted it.

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Atheist Miracles

by Perry in

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i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

they keep me from getting bored.

OnTheWayOut

Nothing created GOD....

That's what it has to be for Perry's truth to be truth.

Atheists say, "in the beginning, nothing". Christians are saying, 'In the beginning, God..."

If something could not come into existence (or always exist in some form), then God could not come into existence (or always exist).
(Again, I know that there was no 'always' or anything 'before' time existed.)

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Atheist Miracles

by Perry in

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i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

they keep me from getting bored.

OnTheWayOut

real observable evidence about the uniqueness of our universe

Not that I fully support the multiverse, as it's just too early in man's infancy of understanding to figure it all out. We have a long way to go, BUT......

......how the hell is there real observable evidence about the uniqueness of our universe? We can't see any other universe so we have nothing to compare it to. If you left out "real observable evidence" I could see it. It probably is unique among the many universes, or unique as the only one. But you don't know anymore than those whose math theorizes other universes. And the math is more than a shred of evidence. Black holes used to just be mathematical in existence until they found them. Some of what they do at the Large Hadron Collider used to be just mathematical.

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CAH closing down in upstate NY

by oppostate in

yet another circuit assembly hall is going to be sold off!.

they've been reducing the amount of congregations assigned to meet there and using the times when it isn't in use to make repairs.

elders have now been informed that they are selling off the property and buildings and that circuits would be assigned to attend other sites, twice as far, three or four hours away, like montreal.

OnTheWayOut

Hey, as it turns out, the picture of the front doors is an artist's conception or something like that. The actual front doors are in this video, but not much different from the picture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjAlyDres8E

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Since man is unable to create life does this mean

by Crazyguy in

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does this mean possible a creator did or does exist.

there is plenty of evidence of a slow evolutionary changes over millions of years and i do not disagree with this.

but again that fact that mankind can not create a living creature from scratch mean there must be a creator?

OnTheWayOut

Once man does create life from scratch.....

all we will hear from believers is how God created man in His image, so we had that potential put into us. They will forget how they kept saying the one thing proves there must be a creator and now the opposite thing proves there is a creator.

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CAH closing down in upstate NY

by oppostate in

yet another circuit assembly hall is going to be sold off!.

they've been reducing the amount of congregations assigned to meet there and using the times when it isn't in use to make repairs.

elders have now been informed that they are selling off the property and buildings and that circuits would be assigned to attend other sites, twice as far, three or four hours away, like montreal.

OnTheWayOut

They are continuing to sell the old for whatever they can so they can flip the money.

If you get a chance, look at Google images of "Orangeburg Assembly Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses" and see how their newer style of buildings have level floors instead of the traditional sloping theater floors and the whole place looks like it will make a great sporting goods (or other) store or maybe something like a Walmart.

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Since man is unable to create life does this mean

by Crazyguy in

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does this mean possible a creator did or does exist.

there is plenty of evidence of a slow evolutionary changes over millions of years and i do not disagree with this.

but again that fact that mankind can not create a living creature from scratch mean there must be a creator?

OnTheWayOut

Man (so far) cannot create life from scratch, so all that proves is that man did not create life from scratch.

Squirrels did not create life from scratch, the dinosaurs did not create life from scratch, gorillas did not create life from scratch. None of these created life from scratch.

If God wants to demonstrate to mankind how He creates life from scratch, bring Him out and let Him do it.

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Atheist Miracles

by Perry in

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i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

they keep me from getting bored.

OnTheWayOut

Here's a bottom line on creation itself.

Scientists can narrow the gap but never (at least in our lifetimes) answer all the questions about how matter and energy came to be our universe and what that matter and energy originated from.

Some of the terms don't quite fit, like "before the big bang" because time did not exist. Getting bogged down on terms beyond simple disagreements doesn't help anyone here. If someone asks about "before the big bang" or where the matter/energy "came from," we should all understand that what is being asked is how or why it existed at all in a state ready to form the universe and how or why it caused time to exist.

Science can only take us back so far, but supernatural belief does no better. The believer allows "God" to do what he cannot accept from the universe without God. God can be always in existence and equal the entire universe or the sum of all of it's matter/energy. When a nonbeliever says "something from nothing" it is not clearly understood, but when a believer says "everything from God" it is equally not understood and is just a way of pushing off understanding.

Seeing as we cannot understand it all at this time, I abandon (beyond trying to help Perry since he really wants us to help him) any attempts to persuade people that the universe does not need "God" to start. The reason I am able to let go of God is because every god of man's creation has never been demonstrated to be existent at all.

So Perry, forget the universe. Focus on the God of the Bible or the God of your mind. Prove HE exists. But remember for every anecdote/revelation, I could find an anecdote/revelation from someone else's God that differs from your.

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Kingdom Hall loans Cancelled? Lurkers...please read

by ToesUp in

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i hope that writing this, there will be some lurkers that i can shake.. if you have not listened to mays tv broadcast, please do.

it may wake some up.. note @ around 21-22 minutes into the broadcast lett brings up the the kingdom halls/assembly hall loans have been cancelled and the congregation can now send in what they can afford.

wow...how many banks would do that?.

OnTheWayOut

This is just further dangerous cult-mind control where they say left is right and up is down.

The members are publishers despite the fact that they just distribute what a publishing company makes.
The leaders are the "slave" despite them not serving the members, but having the members serve them.
The loans are forgiven despite the obligation to pay at least the same amount for a longer term.

And now, members are told that if your congregation falls short on the monthly obligation, all is forgiven. But the elders are told "Shame on you and make it up as soon as possible."

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is it more likely to be the men or women who leave first?

by sowhatnow in

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i was just pondering the other day, is it more likely that a man will leave a religion, or a woman?

is there a way to know if the men on the site outnumber the women or vice versa as to who found out ttat first and left.. im going to suggest men.

basically because men in general, do not like to be told what to do.

OnTheWayOut

I see tons of women on this forum and at meetups. I don't know.

I will go with men only because women marry a JW and are afraid to leave. But prior to marriage or after divorce, I imagine it's 50/50. Perhaps a bit more women after divorce as the men may either gain position or quickly find a "new" wife among JW's (or even both) and the women may lose status and/or not be able to find another JW husband.