Posts by OnTheWayOut

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How do you manage to keep JW friendships after you left the organization?

by Bonsai in

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it seems incredibly difficult.

those who leave the org.

(or fade) no longer have anything in common with jehovah's witnesses, nor do they want to stick around to get radiated by the fear and guilt that saturates every aspect of a witnesses' life.. i've lost all but one of my jw friends quite simply because i can no longer condone the evil things that they condone.

OnTheWayOut

I get an occasional hug from a sister who is with my wife and that causes her to cross my path. Otherwise, nothing. I thought at first when I started the fade that I would keep my JW best friend, as I was always there for him. NOPE. He was one of the first JW's to choose a rigid application of the rules and state that he had to limit association (cut it entirely).

I think I was way better off that way. Despite the way I typed the above, I recognize these people are in a dangerous mind-control cult and I would welcome them back into my life if they left the Watchtower. I developed much better friends among former JW's that don't care if I am liberal or conservative, atheist or Christian or Buddhist, whether I smoke or not. It's much more satisfying than trying to keep a bond with someone who you can't discuss things with freely.

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God Answers the Prayers of the Earring Hunters

by konceptual99 in

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just a small anecdote from the meeting last night.. in the item interviewing a couple of older, long standing ones, one of the sisters was asked how jehovah had answered her prayers.

her response was "in lots of ways but it's the little ways i think of the most.

for example, when i am rushing to get ready for the meeting and putting my earrings in and i drop the butterfly clip on the floor and cannot find it.

OnTheWayOut

God loves to take sides in football (both American and what Americans call soccer)and baseball. He doesn't seem to take a side in basketball except for college ball. He also seems to ignore rich folks on the fields of a golf course and lets them battle it out without him. .......well, there was that Tiger Woods thing, but then he cheated on his wife and God left him to his own skills.

Earrings and small miracles that get JW's to their conventions are huge with God.

Starving children and natural disasters, .......well, sometimes God lets the entire Kingdom Hall collapse and is responsible for any who survive but not responsible for any who die, and sometimes He miraculously causes a third-world country miracle of food for JW's about to go off the pioneer list. There was this time a wild boar just charged right into the hut so the JW there could kill it for food and stay on the list a whole month longer until some new miracle comes along. So we have to understand that He's too busy for non-JW Haitian or Indonesian boys and girls.

And the Lord works in mysterious ways. It seems that all Christian sects have such anecdotes for their God and Lord helping them and ignoring others. Perhaps, it's rescuing a Christian's cat instead of pulling Iraqi children out of a building about to be blown up. Or it could be helping Perry find a new weblink that proves that Jesus is real while not preventing a flood in another state that allows gay marriage.

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camping information.

by James Brown in

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my wife and i are planning on taking a year off and taking a jeep and a camper through all the 48 contiguous states and alaska and some of canada.. living in florida, i have always had guns and a concealed carry permit.

but researching for our upcoming retirement vacation, it seems to me that i might not be able to legally carry firearms on my upcoming expedition.. it seems every state has different laws and licenses.

what does a camper from florida do when he goes to new york or california?

OnTheWayOut

The site I listed previously has Canada information. More specifically, http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/information/lic-per-eng.htm has info. on getting permission to bring firearms. Click on Visitor/Non-resident. Still, it sounds like a hassle. You can do it, most likely. But I say: Bring your baseball bat and leave the guns in Florida.

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camping information.

by James Brown in

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friends

my wife and i are planning on taking a year off and taking a jeep and a camper through all the 48 contiguous states and alaska and some of canada.. living in florida, i have always had guns and a concealed carry permit.

but researching for our upcoming retirement vacation, it seems to me that i might not be able to legally carry firearms on my upcoming expedition.. it seems every state has different laws and licenses.

what does a camper from florida do when he goes to new york or california?

OnTheWayOut

Oh yeah, Canada: http://www.ezbordercrossing.com/the-inspection-experience/transporting-firearms/bringing-a-firearm-into-canada/#.VYxXK_lViko

They don't allow handguns except for target ranges. It would not be allowed for self-defense or hunting and I think they would want proof that the purpose of a handgun is not for self-defense or hunting. Read that website and stick with hunting rifles or shotguns and be prepared for a grilling at the border. OR don't go to Canada.

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camping information.

by James Brown in

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friends

my wife and i are planning on taking a year off and taking a jeep and a camper through all the 48 contiguous states and alaska and some of canada.. living in florida, i have always had guns and a concealed carry permit.

but researching for our upcoming retirement vacation, it seems to me that i might not be able to legally carry firearms on my upcoming expedition.. it seems every state has different laws and licenses.

what does a camper from florida do when he goes to new york or california?

OnTheWayOut

This one has even more:
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150101/guide-to-the-interstate-transportation

In most states, firearms may be transported legally if they are unloaded, cased, and locked in the automobile trunk or otherwise inaccessible to the driver or any passenger. The exceptions to this rule apply mainly to transportation of handguns and so-called “assault weapons.” The myriad and conflicting legal requirements for firearm transportation through the states make caution the key for travelers of which you must consult local law.
If you travel with a trailer or camper that is hauled by an automobile, it is advisable to transport the firearms unloaded, cased and locked in the trunk of the car. If your vehicle is of the type in which driving and living spaces are not separated, the problem becomes one of access. If the firearm is carried on or about the person, or placed in the camper where it is readily accessible to the driver or any passenger, state and local laws regarding concealed carrying of firearms may apply. It is recommended, therefore, that the firearm be transported unloaded, cased, and placed in a locked rear compartment of the camper or mobile home, where it is inaccessible to the driver or any passenger.

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camping information.

by James Brown in

jw
friends

my wife and i are planning on taking a year off and taking a jeep and a camper through all the 48 contiguous states and alaska and some of canada.. living in florida, i have always had guns and a concealed carry permit.

but researching for our upcoming retirement vacation, it seems to me that i might not be able to legally carry firearms on my upcoming expedition.. it seems every state has different laws and licenses.

what does a camper from florida do when he goes to new york or california?

OnTheWayOut

I might read more from this website and a few other websites before deciding it's okay, but.....

I googled "can you carry a gun in your auto all 50 states"

It appears okay to lock up an unloaded gun while traveling. If you think you are unsafe where you plan to stop at night, look up specifics for that state either beforehand or when you get there as to whether you can load your gun while there at night. Personally, I would probably just load it at night whether it was allowed or not, as it's better to be alive and safe and in trouble over it rather than be dead.

I got this answer at "http://www.secondcalldefense.org/self-defense-news/traveling-your-gun-legally"

For the most part, Federal law is pretty straightforward. No federal permit is required. And the Firearms Owners' Protection Act (FOPA) shields you from local restrictions if you're transporting firearms for lawful purposes.
Under FOPA, notwithstanding any state or local law, a person is entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry it, if the firearm is unloaded and locked out of reach. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm must be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Ammunition that is either locked out of reach in the trunk or in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console is also covered.
Exceptions apply to those who are convicted felons; persons under indictment for felonies; adjudicated "mental defectives" or those who have been involuntarily committed to mental institutions; illegal drug users; illegal aliens and most nonimmigrant aliens; dishonorably discharged veterans; those who have renounced their U.S. citizenship; fugitives from justice; persons convicted of misdemeanor crimes of domestic violence; and persons subject to domestic violence restraining orders.

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Has this latest Candace Conti Update been Looked At? Settlement Reached?

by OnTheWayOut in

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http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656.

supreme court.

change court supreme district 1 district 2 district 3 district 4 div 1 district 4 div 2 district 4 div 3 district 5 district 6 .

OnTheWayOut

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=S226656

Supreme Court

Change court Supreme District 1 District 2 District 3 District 4 Div 1 District 4 Div 2 District 4 Div 3 District 5 District 6

Court data last updated: 06/25/2015 09:27 AM

Case Summary	Docket	Briefs
Disposition	Parties and Attorneys	Lower Court

Docket (Register of Actions)

CONTI v. WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW YORK

Case Number S226656

Date	Description	Notes
05/27/2015	Petition for review filed	Defendant and Appellant: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. Attorney: Jon Robert Williams Pursuant to CRC, rule 8.25(b) Court of Appeal records have been imported.
05/27/2015	Record requested
06/05/2015	Received Court of Appeal record	one file folder, briefs, and transcripts
06/23/2015	Filed:	letter dated June 22, 2015, notifying the court that petitioners, Watchtower and Fremont Congregation have reached a settlement with respondent, Conti.

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What are the current rules about vaping from the GB?

by purrpurr in

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i mean e cigs and vaping.

not even tobacco inhaling but inhaling other stuff like herbs etc.

is this allowed?

OnTheWayOut

I doubt there is any new stuff in Watchtower Magazine about that, but ask any C.O. or wait for the magazine to address it, and I am sure it would say that it's a bad habit just like smoking and it could stumble others who assume you are sucking on tobacco and they would say NO!

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The Bible is NOT Error-Free

by FusionTheism in

for many christians, the bible is viewed as the 100% error-free, perfect book straight from god, where every single word was carefully chosen by god for a reason.

but, usually, when you have a discussion on the topic, these christians will end up saying that only the original copies written directly from the hands of the prophets and apostles were error-free, and all manuscript copies since then are subject to copyist mistakes and other errors.. since zero original copies are in existence, how do we know the originals were error-free?

why should we think the originals should be error-free to begin with?

OnTheWayOut

Why would God make sure that the originals were 100% inerrant, but then not preserve the originals, and allow all future copies to contain errors?

I only read the opening post as the statement above is really all you need. So people feel that God only wanted the first person who "recorded" the words to get the message right and maybe a few others that read those particular originals (but not the other originals that were already poorly copied). Or else God wanted errors to creep in so that men were encouraged to dig deep and question every last thing in the Bible until they realized that this flood didn't happen and genetics proves that Adam and Eve didn't exist and archaeology proves errors in many of the writings and eventually we realize that God made us smarter by delivering fables/myths.

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Fascinating Presentations of Jesus' Dynamic Teachings Coming Soon

by Perry in

public perception a problem for jws.

monday, june 8, 2015.

a christian apologist says christians should use discernment when dealing with jehovah's witnesses, who have recently launched a massive worldwide proselytization campaign.. throughout this summer and continuing through january 2016, jehovah's witnesses are holding thousands of "imitate jesus!

OnTheWayOut

How can Jehovah glorify Jesus when he states emphatically that he gives glory to NO ONE else? Jesus answers, "I and my father are one."

Easy as pie. The Bible says things that are contradicting. End of story. The 4 gospels contradict each other. The Old and New Testament contradict each other. Parts of the Bible say things about the sins of the father being applied to further generations and other parts say it is not so.

You are just trying to use another contradiction in the Bible to say that the answer must be some complicated theory of men that isn't ever directly mentioned in the Bible. Even in the writings, Jesus never said "I am God." The answer is simple- at the time of writing, the men who made up these stories did not consider that Jesus was God himself, so the men who morphed the meaning of the fictions later didn't have enough solid writings to make their idea that "Jesus is God" a proven part of the writings.