Posts by OnTheWayOut

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Is the end of Watchtowers hated No Blood doctrine in sight?

by nicolaou in

i won't pretend to know things that i don't but just look at the incredible rate of change we've witnessed recently.

it seems that since candace conti and the australian royal commission the watchtower are scrabbling around to shore up their finances in the face of unprecedented legal action against them.. abuse settlement claims are one thing but what happens when children die as a result of your religious teachings?!

you can bet wt legal are arguing for a complete rewrite of policy to protect the organisation from litigation.. do you think their religious privilege will protect them forever?

OnTheWayOut

The Oregon case is an example of how slow the process is. The state is trying to save infants from the religious beliefs of their parents and not from the religion itself. Headway toward elimination of that religion will come when someone, say a grandparent who felt the loss, successfully sues the religion over the matter.

But the groundwork is there.

I read a rumor that Watchtower eliminated the Theocratic Ministry School, largely in part because Australia and other places require background checks or other minimum standards of training for anyone involved in a "school" where children are enrolled- no exceptions. So Sunday School or Theocratic Ministry School would come up under that requirement. Watchtower's response to eliminate a "school" with children in it would be a solid reaction similar to the (hoped for) abandoning of the automatic disassociation for a blood transfusion. It may take one successful lawsuit or one aggressive new law in some country to bring that about.

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How to deal with anxiety?

by BlackWolf in

jw
friends

lately my mental health has been rapidly declining.

i have anorexia and deppression, and my anxiety has become overwhelming.

i have been to many doctors/therapists in the past, but because i have not been magically cured my parents dont want to get me any more help.

OnTheWayOut

I would never give advice like this to an individual.

Some people who think they need professional help (such as counseling) and don't get it because their parents interfere or think they don't need it, go outside of the home and seek it anyway.

They might go to the school they would attend and approach the school counselor and explain that they are in this situation. The school counselor would be obligated to report such a problem to whatever social services are available in the area. Others would go straight to social services and skip the school counselor. If they didn't know how to find social services, they might start at a police station or a church.

The reason I would not directly give advice to do such a thing is because it puts things in motion for people to investigate their parents and the homeschool situation and all.

While I would not give YOU such advice, were it me- I would seek help outside the home. I have a history of a need for professional counseling and I wouldn't want to wait until it was too late. I hope you understand what I am saying.

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The Iron Fist in the Velvet Glove

by Lee Elder in

the watchtower and jehovah's witnesses are fond of saying there are no automatic sanctions for taking blood.

that they no longer disfellowship someone who takes blood.

that they have a "free choice" in the matter.

OnTheWayOut

When they say they no longer disfellowship someone who takes blood, they are telling the truth. The form clearly shows that it is the truth.

The form will have the box checked that says the individual disassociated them self for taking blood. No disfellowshipping action from the organization, but an individual action that caused them to simply fill out a form.

They neglect to say that this is the exact same result as if they disfellowshipped the person, but it's theocratic warfare (except for Geoffrey Jackson who never heard of such a thing).

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My mom passed away yesterday....

by minimus in

jw
friends

thank you all for your sincere encouragement during these last few weeks.

finally, she is at peace.

i was with her , holding her hand when she died.

OnTheWayOut

I am glad you were able to be there with her. So sorry for your loss.

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Who Qualifies for TTATT?

by John Aquila in

when i first learn ttatt i started telling every one.

ttatt will not help him, it will destroy him.

all his family are jws.

OnTheWayOut

Everyone qualifies for TTATT, but not all will respond the way we hope.

It is also not up to me or you to make sure all get TTATT. By that, I mean that I will help where I feel I can do some good, but for the most part, my own course should be enough for any JW that wants to know more to simply ask. And I will occasionally engage strangers, but just a little bit.

As far as a guy in his 50's, no matter his situation, and certainly someone younger- they have much life left and deserve to know TTATT. Again, it's not your responsibility. But if they asked, I would tell them whatever can help to show them the way.

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OF DOGS AND BITES AND BIKES AND THINGS

by Terry in

the thought suddenly struck me plain and obvious: "these dogs won't stop until i'm good and bloody.".

there were two of them; a mixed breed of boxer and pit bull; clean, white--collared, tagged and--for some inexplicable reason, ferociously intent on tearing me to shreds!.

ah, but i'm getting ahead of myself.

OnTheWayOut

At least the situation allowed you to work on your creative writing.

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vent: Got into it this morning with my wife agian. younger son wants to go to a B-day, i said he could...she turned cult.

by goingthruthemotions in

yep, he told her that he wants to go a friends b-day...keep in mind it's not until december.

well anyway i told her i didn't mind if he did and i would take him.

yep, enter cult mode.....i hate this freaking cult.

OnTheWayOut

I just wanted to offer some support. I know this is tough on you and your son.

My wife is still a JW. I faded quietly and have not had to face anything like this, but if I had children I would do whatever it takes to give them a normal childhood.

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Anybody else consternated about Jesus?

by runForever in

i've read the bible as many of you have.

a lot of it makes sense.

i just can't believe.

OnTheWayOut

There was a time when the very existence of Jesus was not even challenged. The best one could do was say that he was a man and not a god, but still along the lines of a radical thinker. But as times have changed, the ideas that he was invented gained acceptance.

Even if there is some shred of truth in the stories (and I don't think so), the son-of-God did not return and was no more than a man.

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Please change my username, Simon =)

by Divergent in

hi simon, sorry to disturb, but i would appreciate it very much if you could kindly change my username for me - from just kidding to divergent.

i've decided to change my username because i'm not the same person i was when i first joined this site.

back then, a part of me still believed, and i thought that if my doubts were wrong and the religion actually turns out to be true and i posted negative stuff here... hey, i was only just kidding!!!.

OnTheWayOut

C'mon. I wouldn't even tell anyone who did it for me. It would just be between us.

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Please change my username, Simon =)

by Divergent in

hi simon, sorry to disturb, but i would appreciate it very much if you could kindly change my username for me - from just kidding to divergent.

i've decided to change my username because i'm not the same person i was when i first joined this site.

back then, a part of me still believed, and i thought that if my doubts were wrong and the religion actually turns out to be true and i posted negative stuff here... hey, i was only just kidding!!!.

OnTheWayOut

I suppose he can't do it for everyone and you asked so nicely.

I am not the same person as when I joined. I won't start my own thread, but I would not be upset if my name went to "Out" instead of "OnTheWayOut." Hint hint, hoping for the big change. Thanks in advance.