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  44 years old and having I.V.F help to have a baby thanks too bastard "this Generation" lies!! Wife wants kids in 2016! My story.

  by Witness 007 in

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  as a young witness married couple in the 1990's we knew "this generation" of 1914 did not have long to go!

  oh how cute a young pioneer couple we were.

  we wont have kids till "afew more years pass" and we are in the new system.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Vent it here, but try to have, as The Searcher said, the greatest joy and happiness. Good luck to you.
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  What's next?

  by Grey Goose in

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  2. friends

  hi everyone.. thanks for the welcome a few days ago, it was nice to hear your support.. this is a pure speculation thread, but what do you think the next changes are going to be?.

  will we see tything come into play?.

  more evangelical style meetings?.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Watchtower has never managed as well as Latter Day Saints (Mormons) to appear mainstream. And you gotta hand it to them with their bicycle preachers and magic underwear.

  I see Watchtower going more the way of Scientology- pretending to have a huge membership, but really being a real estate holding company with enough assets for the current leadership to stay in ivory towers.

  Kingdom Halls will slowly be sold off as membership dwindles. There will be more streaming videos to reach members who don't drive across the county to the nearest K.H. and Watchtower will offer for them to make monetary donations to make up for their lack of physical presence. Print will be a thing of the past.
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  Another Galling Meeting!

  by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yesterday's meeting was again, quite soporific.

  however, i felt indignation when it came to paragraph 16 of the watchtower catechism.

  it reads..."the remarkable growth that we see today is the result of our faith in god and full acceptance of the bible..."i won't deal with the first part of that sentence here, but the claim at the end - this is just an outright and most egregious lie!

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  OnTheWayOut

  "One Hundred Years Under Kingdom Rulership!"

  Ha, only in dangerous mind control cults.

  "The end didn't come yet." SO MORE OF YOU CAN BE SAVED. YOUR PRAYERS FOR MORE TIME HAVE BEEN HEARD.

  "Adjustments in understanding." SPIRIT-DIRECTED INSTEAD OF INSPIRED. WE WERE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT, BUT WE ARE RIGHT RIGHT NOW.

  "What is asked of us is foolish." OBEY NO MATTER WHAT WE SAY AND YOU WILL BE BLESSED. PRETEND WE WERE NEVER WRONG BECAUSE WE ARE PROBABLY RIGHT ON THIS.

  "One hundred years under kingdom rulership." SO IT MUST BE IMMINENT THAT WE GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME.
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  The GB know it's all lies and wants to dismantle the WTS ... then what?

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so imagine the gb have a sudden attack of honesty and realize "crap, this whole thing is lies - we're not god's spokespeople at all !".

  how do you dismantle a religion that has +8 million members in a responsible way?

  you can't just publish a watchtower saying "we were wrong" because that would be irresponsible - you need to let people down gently, put people off gradually.

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  The idea is a bit broad. I mean, we would have to know if the entire G.B. was ready to admit it's all crap, and how far they go in this realization- just the cult itself, or maybe they realize that the Bible and Christianity are crap, or that Flying Spaghetti Monster is just as real as the God of men's creation.

  But anyway, assuming there wouldn't be a coup (and there would be), I would say that the G.B. would have to lighten up on things quickly. Get that majority vote to stop shunning- have articles about no longer shunning. Immediately lift the blood ban and encourage closeness with non-JW family. Tell members that birthdays are okay, college is good. They could say that Watchtower is no longer going to insist on blind obedience to standards, but that every "Christian" must decide for themselves whether they will celebrate holidays, vote, get a tattoo, join the military, carry a gun, YADDA YADDA YADDA.

  If they are sincere and trying to dismantle things but avoid humongous lawsuits, they can say how there is already enough money at HQ and because of the economy, will ask that no more funds be sent to the Worldwide fund. They can say they are going to have one more round of conventions this summer to announce major discoveries and simply tell people on the first day, "GO OUTSIDE, ENJOY THE DAY, STOP BOTHERING PEOPLE WITH WATCHTOWERS, GET OUTTA HERE."

  The coups will be big. Maybe they can address that.
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  The Demons were messing with me last night!

  by olongapo joe in

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  2. friends

  so said my pops one morning.

  we were visiting my sister in eastern tennessee and the night before after everyone else went to bed pops was watching tv when all of a sudden and completely on it's own the tv changed to the tonight show, holy smokes!!

  must be demons cause pops didn't change it!

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  Televisions respond to electronic signals in the air. Strange things can happen without demons.
  You figured out the wind chimes. It's a shame people default to such an extreme explanation.

  Watchtower doesn't help. It feeds such feelings.

  It's not just demons. We've had people on this forum that allow their own coincidences/problems/beliefs/possible mental illness develop into a whole belief system where God or the angels are talking to them.

  Science does understand the causes of hearing voices, vibrations do sometimes cause wind chimes to chime without wind, electronic devices can have glitches for all kinds of reasons, strange coincidences do happen.
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  Who can you trust to admit you have doubts?

  by MrMonroe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  (that is, doubts).

  in margaret atwood's "the handmaid's tale", a futuristic story of life inside a repressive, abusive big brother-style society tightly controlled by religious fundamentalists, there's a passage in which the protagonist is alone with another woman at a state-controlled centre where prayers are generated -- then printed out and read out -- by a machine.

  the other woman asks, in barely more than a whisper, "do you think god listens to these machines?

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  I felt out the reactions to some questions I had. I did this with my JW wife, mother, best friend, others.

  In the end, they all remained loyal to the organization and made it clear that I could not trust them with enough of my discoveries for them to use against me. Well, my wife and my mother slowly morphed into making my differences with the organization my business and simply wanted to avoid being spies for the JW's. Despite that, I only go so far with what I say.

  My best friend stopped me from saying anything he could use against me. I suppose that's good. But then he got out of my life. My in-law family treat me fine, but never ask anything JW-related.

  It is very hard to know who you can say things to. You want to help them out. In the end, I think leaving, be it fading or otherwise, speaks more to them than anything you might try to convey through logic.
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  Evolution a Fact - Agreed but So What?

  by LAWHFol in

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  2. beliefs

  in many debates between believers and non believers (nb), the nb uses evolution as some sort of proof to support the non existence of god.. i agree that evolution is a fact, however i feel that evolution is proof of some sort of benevolent original cause.. if i were to create an a.i.

  , i would program into it the ability to self-refactor and evolve.. i would also randomly inject viruses into the program (evil) where the a.i.

  would be forced to stretch its current capabilities & modify it's operating functions in order to get through the random virus, and continue living.. with a steady flow of different viruses, the a.i.

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  May be covered already, but evolution tells us that man has been here longer than the Bible states and came to be on the scene without Adam and Eve and original sin. It cuts right across the basic tenants of Christianity.

  But it does not disprove a creator other than that.

  If someone/something created all this and left it unsupervised, he's a really sick bastard. Try that with your kids and go to prison.
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

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  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  If Jws have not got the truth, then -What is the alternative?

  You've had great answers here. A life has the purpose you give it. If you want to enrich a publishing company and give false hope to people, that's a pretty poor purpose just so you can die "very happy and contented."

  Plus, I deny that most JW's are truly happy. They have this feeling that they are wasting their time, they are made to feel that they never measure up and need to do more. They feel paranoid about accidentally enjoying something "worldly." They miss out on many family joys with their non-JW family.

  They indeed miss "the real life." But you don't see that.

  Your JW life is alot like living in the Matrix. You can't believe you are living in a made-up fantasy and you cannot see the real world. Wake up, man. You won't wake up because you are afraid you will never get to go back to the Matrix, and the real world with developing your own thoughts/opinions/politics is very scary to you.

  Ex-JW's may not know the absolute truth. Neither do you. But I would rather be willing to explore and question than just accept that those guys in NY with a proven track record of delaying and changing the doctrine might actually have anything right.

  What other options?

  If God and Jesus have a purpose for me, they have my cell number. I don't have to go off and live a life of debauchery, but I can go live my life without a set of imposed rules about blood, beards, birthday cakes, toasting at a celebration, voting, where I should be on Sunday morning and all day Saturday.
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  You don't paint the rooms on the Titanic

  by TTWSYF in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this was the line my nephew gave me regarding why jws don't give alms.

  i had several rebuttals to give him, but didn't.

  i was hoping for some comments from this board.

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  OnTheWayOut

  "Your Jesus fed the poor and cured their illnesses, when he would have known good and well that wasn't any real answer if Watchtower is correct."
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  New Here

  by Grey Goose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi one and all.. i've lurked for 3 years, about time i signed up.. i'm a still in ms due to family.. fully awake.. i look forward to getting to know all of you..

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  My guess is in 5 years time. But as I mentioned, with family still in, everything is up in the air right now.

  Welcome, welcome. I wanna say- a fade is a progressive action. Mine was pretty fast. Some people are even faster and able to walk away instantly and not be DF'ed. But if those are not the case, I hope you can still make some progress. You already fake some time. It would be great to get that M.S. monkey off your back. Maybe you could become irregular or even inactive and get fired. Maybe you could blow off some CLAM where you have a part and offer the poorest of excuses- "I took a nap after dinner and never woke up for the meeting."

  With no wife and no kids, sure you want to keep your family. But is it possible to fade out also? Or to at least work toward being so irregular and undependable as far as meetings go, having no responsibilities but to sit there at half or less than half of the meetings and skip the rest of them? Instead of 5 years, you could be at that point in 1 year.

  But if you don't do that, I get it. Good luck to you either way.