Posts by OnTheWayOut

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Need help. Daughter wants to leave org but does not know how.

by Indian Larry in

jw
friends

long question, but very important.. i can use some help.

my daughter wants out of the organization and i need some advise.. here is my background in a nutshell.

i am fully faded for 10+ years.

OnTheWayOut

Indian Larry, I have a good feeling that you are still reading the responses here. I hope so. You have received much caring thoughts. We are very concerned that you mention your daughter being suicidal and we don't want to say anything radical that doesn't help.

I don't think anything ANYONE has said was too over-the-top radical like that.

I also think your daughter has to be herself in that she has to ultimately decide how to get out. I would tell her to work up a plan with her counselor. One of the best books I discovered long after I got out was Bonnie Zieman's EXITING THE JW CULT. She's a former JW turned counselor with a great help to the depressed as they discover the truth about "the truth." RUN TO AMAZON and get that for her. DO IT!!!

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Remember 1992?

by Tobyjones262 in

anyone remember 1992?

i can remember i was in the cult.

times were changing at a rapid pace.

OnTheWayOut

I was fully involved in 1992. Baptized in 1988 and married by the end of 1990, ministerial servant on his way to elder. I have to agree with Slimboyfat on page 1 of this thread that "1995 was the turning point for JWs."

No turning back. The "generation of 1914" was expiring. So up to that point, they were very busy convincing themselves that everything was fine. The end is right around this very next corner.

Well, it expired. It didn't happen. The JW's left are just denying their disappointment.

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Be Bold Circult assembly

by Rattigan350 in

at the 2018-2019 be bold circult assembly yesterday.

yes, curcult, change the i to an l. because when they have 2 demonstrations about youths not going to university and another talk says for adults at work to be bold and refuse birthday treats being given away, it shows so much pettiness and lack of real concern for the people.. i was actually looking forward to the ca because a week before tornadoes went through our circuit and passed 2 miles by a kingdom hall and less than 1 mile by another that had meetings that afternoon.

i was expecting the circult overseer to give a report on it.

OnTheWayOut

Be Bold. HA!

Like standing back from your literature cart, just counting time and not bothering anybody.

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Sacramento Senate Bill & Town Hall Meeting with EX-JW Child Abuse Survivors- March 8th , 2019

by flipper in

https://www.facebook.com/sarita.piti/posts/2613606355321841.

https://www.facebook.com/roger.bentley.986/posts/526951087814763.

https://www.facebook.com/sarita.piti/posts/2618755001473643.

OnTheWayOut

O.K. ! So last night after 14 ex-JW child abuse victims shared their stories on film in Sacramento to be aired at a later date ; my son and myself had an invitation to join among these survivors at a dinner later ....

That is awesome.

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JW at a thrift store....

by Muddy Waters in

so i was recently in a thrift store, looking through some of the stuff there, when another aisle over, somebody sneezed.. (as far as i know, nobody lost a meatball.... 😅🙃 ...).

anyway, somebody sneezed.

and somebody immediately said, “bless you!”.

OnTheWayOut

When people said "Bless you" or "Happy holiday" or any such stuff, I generally said "Thank you."

Ridiculous to display contempt for good intentions.

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The Fading Loop Hole

by new boy in

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friends

my father in law (robert stillman) killed himself in 1993. after the "new light" came out in 1981 we could no longer have limited contact with dis-fellowedshipped persons.

after years of being shunned by his only family he blow his brains out with a 38 special.

at the time of his death, the only thing bob was doing that wasn’t in line with the society’s rules and regulations was smoking.

OnTheWayOut

Fading away is a loop hole, but it has its problems.

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Ending Bible Study

by Maria Nieves in

i have been studying with jehovah's witnesses for approximately two years.

initially, i liked the studies and felt that i was growing closer to god.

however, as the studies progressed, they seemed to become increasingly negative and i did not like what i was being taught.

OnTheWayOut

I have skimmed 7 pages. Maria, it sounds like you hope to keep JW's as friends, particularly your study conductor.

First of all, she hasn't gone out of her way FOR YOU. She did it for the organization- to count her time and buy her way into paradise. But that doesn't mean she doesn't care about you.

Instead of attempting to address your particular issue, I will highlight my own to make the point. I was an elder, I was well-liked. I did not sin to get kicked out, I drifted away (to make that long story short).

All the JW's did not have to shun me, and they don't really shun me. But they don't call, they don't check on me. If I am not with them, then they have no need for me. I used to have people tell my wife they miss me. My answer was "Then lets do lunch." Never had a reply because "we miss you" means "Get back to the Kingdom Hall."

My in-laws and my mother, my wife's best friend and her husband- they treat me with respect and are okay with me. They have managed to put aside a JW unwritten rule to have nothing to do with me. I respect them for that.

As for the rest of them, in my case I say good riddance. My own best friend has nothing to do with me. I made new friends and got closer to non-JW family. The important part is my own mental health.

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Is The Watchtower Society Just Copying The Mormon's Model?

by pale.emperor in

when i was a faithful jw i was pretty much obsessed with the mormon religion.

to me it was like lord of the rings.

i knew the characters, the history, the events, the joseph smith stories, the religion's history etc etc etc and i long suspected even then that the watchtower society has been copying certain things from the lds church.. for example, the first thing i noticed was when the book study was dropped and family worship was started.

OnTheWayOut

Watchtower wishes it could achieve what LDS has achieved- whacky cult accepted into the mainstream, tithing, and members who are rich and in politics.

A cult is a cult is a cult. Many similarities. I could compare them to Scientology and many things would be similar, mostly having to do with ex-members and having to reach higher levels to learn other secrets of the cult.

But each has their particular strain of whackof- with Watchtower it's Armageddon around the next corner, blood transfusions, keeping out of the military and politics.

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Will You Stop Listening To Michael Jackson’s Music?

by minimus in

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friends

since the hbo documentary, more people are condemning mj.

will these child abuse allegations affect you if you ever liked his music?.

OnTheWayOut

I didn't see the documentary, but I saw a clip of one alleged victim who said that he didn't understand that what Michael did was child molestation at the time.
MJ was alive to defend charges, paid some people off and they left happy. So it's a mixed bag.

Personally, I find it hard to imagine that counselors or some kind of professionals could not discover what actually happened back then. It tends to make me believe that money made everyone happy. But the money is gone now and MJ cannot defend himself. Along comes the documentary people.

If you were happy with the money at the time, then you are not really a victim- regardless of what MJ did. Or you are a victim of your parents accepting that the money was enough. Go get therapy and let the dead rest.

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Babies Who Are Not Dead From An Abortion

by minimus in

jw
friends

a woman gets an abortion.

the baby is supposed to die because of the abortion but doesn’t.

should that living baby be put to death or should the baby be given medical help to survive?.

OnTheWayOut

Only 1 percent of all abortions occur after 21 weeks of pregnancy, according to the Guttmacher Institute, which supports abortion rights. Abortions during the final weeks are rarer still.

Doctors' and abortion-rights groups say it is extremely unusual for live infants to be born during attempted late-term abortions, which they say usually occur when the baby is extremely deformed or deemed unable to survive after birth. In such cases, families sometimes decide they want to induce labor so they can spend time with the infant before it dies.