OnTheWayOut

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  Drastic Upcoming Changes? (accelerated by the pandemic)

  by JWTom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  good to see you again!

  much discussion now about the fallout that is coming due to impacts of the pandemic combined with the long-term downward spiral of jw.org.

  i am active as a pimo and my wife is pimi....much of our personal conversation and conversation with others in jw land focuses on how things will play out for jw.org in the next 12-24 months.

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  OnTheWayOut

  They will go back to the Kingdom Halls, but many Halls will be sold.
  
  C.O.'s are a big part of keeping them in check, keeping local elders in line. There will be C.O.'s. They could reduce their numbers, but I imagine they will keep visiting Kingdom Halls.
  
  As they consolidate congregations to sell off Kingdom Halls, they will consolidate circuits. The huge reductions in numbers will be their cry that Jehovah has shaken out the unworthy ones and the end is closer than ever.
  
  They might as well use the pandemic as an excuse to end door-to-door witnessing. It is such a time-waster and they really don't make any money from that work. They could push the cart witnessing or just declare that the end is closer than ever and so the warning message has changed. There will be some kind of monthly reports still. Gotta control the members.
  
  I don't know why they would change anything about disfellowshipping. If they do, it would probably be a secret among the elders that disfellowshipping should be rare, but still drag members to a JC and reprove them.
  
  
  
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  Are the Dubs going back to the KH again? (Covid-19)

  by Iamallcool in

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  2. friends

  any takers?

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  OnTheWayOut

  They have to get their abacus out and calculate what will be best- sell the Kingdom Halls or continue to fleece the flock a little at a time.
  
  I have a feeling that selling the Halls will take such a long time that they will decide to send the sheep back for regular meetings in order for them to drop money in the boxes while they attempt to sell off the Halls.
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  3 Types of People?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as a rule, there are 3 types.

  one is the dramatic over the top person where a hangnail means you might have to get your finger cut off.. the second type is —who me, worry?

  i’m not going to let too much of anything bother me unless it really is armageddon.. the third type is the person in between.

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  OnTheWayOut

  There are 3 types of people
  Those that understand math and those that do not understand math.

  
  As you can see, I was wrong.
  There are only 2 types of people:
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  1. Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
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  Did I miss any big news?

  by Iamallcool in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i used to read this site everyday for years!

  i am still learning to be ex ex jw.

  did i miss any big news, etc?

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  OnTheWayOut

  I can hardly believe anyone stays after they hear Rubber mouth Lett explain anything.
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  Did I miss any big news?

  by Iamallcool in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i used to read this site everyday for years!

  i am still learning to be ex ex jw.

  did i miss any big news, etc?

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  OnTheWayOut

  They are now saying the end of this system of things is "closer than ever."
  
  Man, they are changing plenty of things nowadays but it's still based on the same basic lies.
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  3 Types of People?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as a rule, there are 3 types.

  one is the dramatic over the top person where a hangnail means you might have to get your finger cut off.. the second type is —who me, worry?

  i’m not going to let too much of anything bother me unless it really is armageddon.. the third type is the person in between.

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  OnTheWayOut

  There are 3 types of people
  
  Those that understand math and those that do not understand math.
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  What was the defining moment that started your becoming a JW ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let me explain what i mean: i was in the company of a workmate when i looked at my hands and my arms and pointed out the veins and said something like look at that, isn`it amazing how veins and arteriies circulate the blood through our bodies ?.

  he later explained to me he wasn`t sure what he should say to me as we had been working together for about six years and he had never once brought up about his jw background .he was what we would call a weak witness and he considered me a street kid who swore and drank too much.

  i was twenty years old at the time.. i can`t remember the actual conversations that transpired ,but thats what started me down the road to becoming a witness and then convincing my gf to join me and about two years later we were married in a kh.. can you point to any one thing or conversation that started you down the road to becoming a witness?.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Well, yes I can point to one conversation that started me down the road to becoming a witness.
  But it really is a case of me setting myself up for it and a JW taking advantage of the setup.
  
  While I was in the U.S. military, I had attempted suicide by putting a gun in my mouth. While I should have known that I just didn't go through with it, I acquired the idea that there was divine intervention when my hair-trigger gun did not go off. I told an E.R. doctor about the attempt and left out my thoughts on divine intervention, saying I just didn't go through with it. I was put in the psychiatric ward.
  
  While in the psychiatric ward, I decided not to share my thoughts that God prevented the gun from firing. It seemed like that would keep me there longer. I was eventually put into a six week in-patient alcoholic program and my mother sent Jehovah's Witnesses to talk to me. After about the fourth visit, I confided in them what I thought about God intervening in my suicide attempt. It seemed to make perfect sense to them. They jumped right in to say that, yes- God saved you because He has a purpose for you to learn and share the good news with others. It even made sense to them not to tell any doctors or counselors about my divine intervention thoughts for fear that I would be put back in the psychiatric ward for observation.
  
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  What Do Today’s Jehovah’s Witnesses Really Think?

  by minimus in

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  when i was a witness i knew what my beliefs were and could defend my views, even if it really was wrong.

  i understood jw doctrines .

  i could define what the faithful and discreet slave was.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I rarely agree with you, Min. But this is right on. A typical man or woman in the hall could define basic beliefs and argue many complex beliefs. Sure, it was twisted logic based on Watchtower teachings, but the members mostly knew it. Most everyone knew how to research a thing if they wanted to know what Watchtower said about the thing.
  
  Witnesses today don't know what THEY believe.
  
  
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  What’s Your View On Self Defense?

  by minimus in

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  if someone comes to you with a knife or a gun, would you defend yourself if you could?

  if someone tried to beat you up , would you physically engage, run away or just try to talk the person out of beating you up or robbing you?

  if you did have a gun to defend yourself would you shoot to kill or would you simply aim for the ankle to incapacitate the person?

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  OnTheWayOut

  What’s Your View On Self Defense?
  
  Surely, not EVERYONE was Kung Fu fighting.
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  'Theocratic Careers' and the Covid Pandemic

  by eyeslice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower has always banged on about not pursuing worldly careers and that best career was 'theocratic service.

  but now i am wondering what line they will take.

  let's have look at the options;.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I knew a C.O. who actually retired. He literally pocketed as much as he could of the green handshakes and he and his wife were able to make it on social security and all that money they saved. It wasn't even a secret that he lived so tight on just what C.O. expenses the congregations paid for and ate at the kindness of the congregation circuit members.
  
  I also remember Bethelites who had been forced out of Bethel and returning to the job market. I would sit and talk with them and they would avoid talking "spiritual" and avoid many Watchtower discussions. If not for their former service, they would have been considered "weak."

  Members will again and again be reminded that any sacrifice they made in "this system" will be remembered by Jehovah.

  It won't work to keep former organization Bethelites, C.O.'s, missionaries from rumbling. But it will minimize their doing anything about it. They will want to keep the crumbs of the members' generosity and many of them will keep their dissatisfaction to themselves for the most part.